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Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:40 am to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:40 am to
I'm thinking there is something wrong in Bug's measurements. He said his pre-boil graivty was 1.068 at 7.2 gallons. At 4.5 gallons he should have ended up at 1.109, but the ended up at 1.090. There is a error in there somewhere.
Posted by LSUGrad00
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Ok, OG came out to 1.090 at 4.5 gallons. I was 1 gallon short and 20 points off. I did a 70 minute mash and a 90 minute boil (first time). I had 5.5 gallons at flame out, but i had a shite load of trub due to the hops


I originally read this as 4.5G @ 1.090 after the boil. I think he ended up with 5.5 G @ 1.090 after the boil and lost 1 G of that going to the fermenter.

Something is off, but I have no clue what...

I plugged that grain bill into promash and it says Bug has a mash eff of 100%. So that's pretty awesome.

No matter the efficiency, it sounds like he'll have one hell of a Christmas IPA.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:53 am to
Gotcha. Missed that part.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:59 am to
Heading to the house for lunch, i'll update with my recorded measurements when i get back, and we can continue to deduce what happened.
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 12:11 pm to
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I can just add the pomegranate to my primary?



I just added mango and pineapple to my primary last night. Helped a whole lot that it was in bucket already. Only thing I'll do after that is cold crash it in a week and transfer to bottling bucket to bottle.
Posted by LSURoss
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 12:58 pm to
Cool, what exactly is a cold crash?
Posted by Fratastic423
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

Cool, what exactly is a cold crash?


Putting the carboy/bucket/fermentation vessel in a fridge after it is finished fermenting to force all of the particulate matter to drop out of solution and sink to the bottom.
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:03 pm to
If you're able to get the fermentor in a refrigerated space to 34 or so it helps clear things up quicker.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:04 pm to
Ok, here is my readings, as it seems to be some confusion.

Originally, according to beersmith, i was expected to have an OG of 1.068 post-boil, in the fermenter.

After a 70 minute mash, i took a gravity reading from the brewpot PRE-BOIL. My Pre-boil OG was 1.068 at 7.1 gallons of wort.

Post-boil, my wort was down to 4.5 gallons, and my OG was 1.088. I then added 1 gallon of wort to the fermenter bringing my quantity up to 5.5 gallons, and a new OG of 1.078.

Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:05 pm to
put your fermenter in the fridge for a few days to drop the temp. It will knock the suspended yeasts and proteins out of the beer, clearing it up.

If you don't care about the clarity of your beer, its no big deal. I've personally never done it and ended up with a few really nice, clear beers just the same. The other stuff I made was too dark to tell anyways.
Posted by LSURoss
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:07 pm to
Dang, I Won't have a means to do that until I get my keezer built.

Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:08 pm to
That's a shite ton of boil off.

I'd be slightly leary of temp adjusted hydrometer readings and be very very sure about volume measurements.

Might be some things to think about when seeing #'s that don't make sense.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 1:12 pm
Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:11 pm to
I usually have about the same amount of boil-off. I started with around 7.25-7.5 gallons of wort last night and ended up with just over 5 gallons into the fermenter.

and I think I've found my next upgrade to my brewing set-up. Not a fridge for fermentation temp control, and not kegging. I need a better burner. It takes WAY too long for me to get my boil going.
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:14 pm to
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I need a better burner. It takes WAY too long for me to get my boil going.



While I understand the feelings on that you might want to look into a heat stick or something and still try to get a good temp controlled fermentation.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

still try to get a good temp controlled fermentation.


I'm just going to have to settle on the swamp cooler method. I don't have room for a fridge/freezer for that now. I already plan to get another freezer, but I'm hoping to fill it with meat.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:21 pm to
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That's a shite ton of boil off.


Yeah. It was a bit windy yesterday around boil time. That and this was my first 90 minute boil. I could've done a much better job of controlling the intensity of my boil.

Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:22 pm to
I have a simultaneous thread on beermsith.com going. I did some further analysis. Here are some corrected readings.

Let me rephrase what i'm trying to convey, i don't think i'm giving all the information.

I mashed for 70 minutes. After recirculating and adding my running into the brew pot, i collected 7.1 gallons of wort at an OG of 1.068 (adjusted for temperature of 135). I took the reading using my thief in the brewpot.

I then, conducted a 90 minute boil. It did start to get a bit windy towards the end of the boil, and i was constantly knocking down my heat to reduce such a vigorous boil.

Post-boil, i whirlpooled my hops for 10 minutes, then cooled for about 15 minutes, then added to my primary carboy. I only had 4.5 gallons of wort collected. So, i checked my gravity again, with the wort temperature at about 80 degrees, and my gravity was at 1.0926. I adjusted because my hydrometer is 2 points off, and so i was at 1.09 OG. I then added 1 gallon of water to my carboy to get my volume to 5.5 gallons. I then sealed the top and shook the hell out of the fermenter. I waited about 5-7 minutes and took another reading. My OG was then at 1.078. I waited another 5 and rechecked, and confirmed my gravity to be 1.078

Also, based on my grain bill, i come up with a Potential points of 72.9

Grain Potential Points Grain Pts Weight (LBS)
Maris Otter 56.7 36 11.33
Caramel Malt 7.5 34 1.583
Caraamber 5.7 35 1.167
Rye 3 29 0.75
TOTAL 72.9 134 14.83

Which according to this website LINK

My Mash Efficiency was 87.38%, not 92%.
My brewhouse efficiency was 75.42%
and my adjusted brewhouse efficiency with the added 1 gallon of water is 77.64%

I still don't understand how beersmith came up with a 92% efficiency rate.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:23 pm to
I only do 90 minute boils and I always go from about 9.25 gallons to 6.2 gallons.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:24 pm to
The only thing that's going to suck, now, is i won't get as great of hops utilization. But i am dry hopping with about 4 ounces of hops, so maybe that will make up for some of it.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

The only thing that's going to suck, now, is i won't get as great of hops utilization. But i am dry hopping with about 4 ounces of hops, so maybe that will make up for some of it.


I have a hard time believing that anyone would notice, especially after 4 oz of dry hopping

how are you doing your dry hop additions? all at once? for how long?
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 1:26 pm
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