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Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:57 am to
Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:57 am to
Adjust the utilization in beersmith then adjust the amount to suit your need
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:03 pm to
How do you adjust utilization? The hop profiles on shows AA% Beta % and Hop Storage index.
Posted by BeerMoney
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:10 pm to
How long does it take for you to get your temperature down below 180ish from the time you add the whirlpool hops? If it takes 5 minutes from the time you add your whirlpool hops to get below 180 then you calculate a 5 minute boil. Personally I don't worry about it. It all works out in the end.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:11 pm to
Trial and error. That's how I did.

"Whirlppol at 200 to 190 for 15 minutes...too bitter"
"Whirlpool at 180 to 170 for 10 minutes...Not enough"
"Whirlpool at 185 to 170 for 15 minutes...there we go"

I made up those numbers, but seriously, just try different combos out. You learn more that way rather depending on number someone told you that might not apply to your setup and process.

Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:09 pm to
Doesn't Beersmith have a 'whirlpool hop' option on hop additions?

Like bottomland, I just found what works for my system through trial and error.

If I want big hop aroma and flavor from my last addition I chill to 180F-170F, stop the chilling process, toss the hops in, let them sit for 15-30 minutes, continue chilling to pitch temps.

I have no scientific explanation of why it works, but its works on my system.

Posted by BMoney
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

If I want big hop aroma and flavor from my last addition I chill to 180F-170F, stop the chilling process, toss the hops in, let them sit for 15-30 minutes, continue chilling to pitch temps.

I have no scientific explanation of why it works, but its works on my system.


Exactly what I do.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:51 pm to
My last batch i did a fwh addition, then a flameout, then a whirlpool at 180

Plenty of simcoe to the face with it
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:00 pm to
so far so good on the split batch. Brewed a big beer, then split it and diluted them. Dilution makes it easy to hit my table beer OG.

Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:14 pm to
My starter is not starting, so I'm not sure when I will actually brew the table beer
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 7:43 am to
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My starter is not starting, so I'm not sure when I will actually brew the table beer


That sucks. We added dark cherries to our Gose on Tuesday night and it's been fermenting away since wednesday morning.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:00 am to
quote:

Doesn't Beersmith have a 'whirlpool hop' option on hop additions?


Yes it does. But i've been setting the time at 0 minutes. I assumed that beersmith didn't know about the IBU points contributed via whirlpool hopping. Maybe i was wrong.

quote:

If I want big hop aroma and flavor from my last addition I chill to 180F-170F, stop the chilling process, toss the hops in, let them sit for 15-30 minutes, continue chilling to pitch temps.


Previously, my whirlpooling hops were added directly after boil shut off. Last IPA i made, i cooled down the wort to add the hops. However, i cooled down to about 130, then added the whirlpool hops, then continued to further cool down the wort. I never let it sit 15 minutes, as i was afraid of the wort not cooling down fast enough.

The reason for chilling wort quickly is to avoid oxidation, infection, and any sulfur compounds. Not to mention clarity with the cold break. Is this something to be concerned about, or do y'all just do it anyway?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:07 am to
Actually, just read up on it here.

I think my plan for my next ipa will be to add half of the whirlpool hops at flameout. Move my kettle to an ice bath. Wait 4 or 5 minutes. Add the remainder hops, whirlpool the wort, then add my wort chiller and continue as normal.

LINK
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:38 am to
quote:

The reason for chilling wort quickly is to avoid oxidation, infection, and any sulfur compounds. Not to mention clarity with the cold break. Is this something to be concerned about, or do y'all just do it anyway?


oxidation - no worries about oxidation before pitching yeast (or shortly after for that matter)

infection - I keep the lid on and even with the 30 min "hop stand" my temp is still well above 140F. At that temp you really don't have to worry about much.

sulfur compounds - sulfur is typically yeast derived and not chilling. Maybe you are thinking DMS? I only concern myself with when using a lot of pils and even then I just boil longer.

clarity - I don't worry about this at all with IPAs. It's an IPA not a Michelob Ultra. I still use whirlflock, but no gelatin or any stuff like that post fermentation.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:44 am to
quote:

How do you adjust utilization? The hop profiles on shows AA% Beta % and Hop Storage index.


well, I thought I had changed that before, I guess I didn't

carry on
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
16497 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:48 am to
quote:

clarity - I don't worry about this at all with IPAs. It's an IPA not a Michelob Ultra. I still use whirlflock, but no gelatin or any stuff like that post fermentation.


for 3 years I subscribed to the thinking that I dont care what the beer looks like, then for kicks I decided to try gelatin

holy shite, I'll never go back.
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
2428 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:53 am to
quote:

How do you adjust utilization? The hop profiles on shows AA% Beta % and Hop Storage index.


Is this it??

Located under options > bitterness > whirlpool

This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 8:56 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57731 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 9:23 am to
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LSUGrad00




Didn't know that was there. Thanks. It appears there was some consideration on beersmith about this.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 9:24 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57731 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:20 am to
Submitting my last IPA for the Clash of the Carboys. I am not very happy with this batch. I overcarbonated it and i don't care for the hops (first time i've used these hops). But, we'll see.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57731 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:17 pm to
Anyone here brew an Oktoberfest before with lager yeast?

This will be my first lager brew. Plan on brewing next Sunday.

I plan on making a starter, i'm assuming i need to be at lager temps for the starter? I was wondering if any harm would be done if i made the starter Saturday, and let it sit around 68 degrees, then pitch Sunday as it cools.

If anything, i would think a warmer starter would accelerate some cell growth and work well by the time i pitch sunday.

If not feasible, i may just try and use a clean ale yeast, like WLP001, and ferment around 67 or maybe a Kolsch yeast, and ferment low and slow for about 2 weeks, say around 62-64 degrees.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15810 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

I think my plan for my next ipa will be to add half of the whirlpool hops at flameout. Move my kettle to an ice bath. Wait 4 or 5 minutes. Add the remainder hops, whirlpool the wort, then add my wort chiller and continue as normal.



No... just no.



Add your flameout hops.

Add immersion chiller. Chill to desired whirlpool levels. Cut Water flow off. Add hops.

Wait.

Turn water flow back on and chill to pitch temp.

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