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Getting Back into Brewing Beer

Posted on 4/5/23 at 8:05 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
76074 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 8:05 pm
Basically starting from scratch all over again.

I was brewing some pretty good beer, all grain, until becoming a parent 8 years ago and having time sucked away from me. But I'm trying to get back in the game.

My old mash tun which was an igloo with a manifold that was the stainless steel mesh pulled off a toilet hose from Lowes is long gone. All of my buckets have been repurposed. I still have some old Tap-A-Draft bottles and taps in the basement but I would rather a keg system at this point.

I have much more expendable income than I did 8 years ago so I can buy neater stuff. So I have that going for me. Also, I have a basement now where temps are much more stable for fermentation and conditioning. I still have my propane burner and two large boil pots, but only large enough to do the standard 5.5 gallon batches. I kinda want to move to bigger batches, with all the work that goes into a batch.

For the purposes of getting good advice and suggestions, I'll set my budget at $2k which would include a keg system. The more ready-made stuff, the better. I want to cook wort and ferment beer.

Any advice?
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78642 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 8:08 pm to
So much has changed in 8 years. I don’t think beer and/or brewing is nearly as popular as it was 8 years ago. Seems like whiskey, bourbon and distilleries are where things are going nowadays.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
1003 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 8:58 pm to
For 2k:

1600 - claw hammer 10.5 gal all-in-one system LINK ***

~100 - chest freezer (ferm chamber or kegerator)

~100/each - 5 gallon kegs

50 - inkbird temp controller

~100 - 5lb CO2 cylinder


*** For the all-in-one there are plenty different manufacturers. Clawhammer was the first that came to mind. I personally use a mash-and-boil, but it's only 5 gal batches max.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
17626 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 6:26 am to
I'm in a similar situation as you. Haven't brewed since 2019 and I have a lot more money now than I did then. I still have my keggle/mash tun system that worked well but was a pain in the arse to store and set up. I think I'm going to get an Anvil or Grainfather system. I know a few folks with them and they are all impressed. It's a smaller storage footprint and easier to clean.
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 7:02 am
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10856 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 6:36 am to
First step to making beer now is chopping your man parts off. Do that and report back for further instructions.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30177 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 7:15 am to
mchias has the right idea on an all-in-one system. Whichever one you get, go 240v. Don't waste money with the 120v systems. They're okay, but if you have the budget, go bigger. I have a 15 gallon Wort Hog system that I love. Mine is a little older and has some different components, so I can't speak to the new versions, but my interactions with the owner have all been positive, so I doubt he'd out out a sub-par product.

Throw the tap-a-draft out. Go ball-lock kegs and perlick faucets.

With your budget, you may have enough to get a grain mill. I use an older Monster Mill 2.0, but there are many good options out there. A mill is especially important if you're going with an all-in-one system. The homebrew store crush is too coarse for the all-in-ones.

A few other things that are sometimes overlooked: Kitchen scale for grain, small drug-dealer scale for brewing salts, storage containers for bulk grain, if you go the bulk grain route.

Funnily enough, I'm you several years back. I'm lucky if I get to brew once a quarter now that I have two little ones. I used to always have three beers on tap and tons aging. Now I barely have one beer on tap.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
1003 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 7:56 am to
With the all-in-ones I don't have much of an issue with the little ones. Being able to set it and forget it helps. When making the wort I will sir it every 15 mins. With a recirc pump you don't even need to check it.

Most now have timers you can set. So have it begin warming water while you sleep and when you wake the water is at strike temp.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58274 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:11 am to
quote:

deeprig9


First, welcome back to the hobby!
Second, we have a homebrew thread when you get back going if you have some more questions. Homebrewing Thread
Third, as others have said, the all in one systems seem the way to go. If i was starting over again, i'd probably go with the grainfather or something to that effect. I am using the standard 3 vessel system, but i've upgraded equipment now and then. I don't think i could pull the trigger on an all in one now, i know my system and once or twice a year i do some complex brewing (turbid mash, decoction) that might make it difficult in an all in one.

I am looking to eventually go electric. At first i wanted an electric brew pot but thinking that an electric mash tun might serve me better with step and decoction mashes as well as my turbid mash lambics.
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 9:13 am
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58612 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:16 am to
quote:

I was brewing some pretty good beer, all grain, until becoming a parent 8 years ago and having time sucked away from me. But I'm trying to get back in the game.
my first kid is 4yo....my last is 10 weeks....... are you saying i have 4 more years before i can get back into brewing? Im in he same boat you have been in
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44773 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 10:24 am to
These are way cheaper than the three vessel systems I've looked at. What kind of efficiency do you get from these single vessel systems? I'd love to get back into all grain as well.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
1003 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 10:45 am to
Most get between 60-80% with the all-in-ones. You'll get on the higher end with a recirc pump.

I measure my gravity after boiling and I'm usually pretty close (+/-.05 max difference) to estimated post boil gravity.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9721 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 11:09 am to
Brew in a Bag (BIAB) is your friend. One pot to use and clean and a large bag. Super easy.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
60019 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 11:17 am to
The best part of homebrewing is when you know it sucks but people drink it because they don’t want to hurt your feelings

I even had people saying they liked my sake which tasted like burnt rice because I burnt the rice when I boiled it
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30177 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

What kind of efficiency do you get from these single vessel systems?


I'm in the low to mid 70's.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58274 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

I'm in the low to mid 70's.



Is that mash efficiency or total brewhouse efficiency?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30177 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:26 pm to
Brewhouse. I can't remember the last time I took measurements to determine my mash efficiency.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32426 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

I think I'm going to get an Anvil or Grainfather system.


I’ve got a grainfather, chest freezer I use to ferment and a chest freezer I turned into a kegerator. I ferment in kegs and close transfer to serving keg. It’s a pretty seamless process. I don’t drink as much as I used to so I haven’t brewed in at least 6 months. I need to get a couple small batches brewed for summer.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
17626 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

I ferment in kegs and close transfer to serving keg. It’s a pretty seamless process.


I think I've read one of your posts about this before. I have 8 kegs chilling in my attic currently. I don't drink nearly as much as I used to so 2 kegs of beer would last about as long as I'd want to and I could ferment in the rest.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32426 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 2:42 pm to
One thing I’d like to try is use hook up a second keg during the fermentation process to capture the CO2. This would cut down on the amount of CO2 used to purge the keg before you transfer it to the serving keg. It obviously involves another keg which doesn’t seem like you have an issue with. I’ve never bottled and couldn’t imagine that pain in the arse.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58274 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

Brewhouse. I can't remember the last time I took measurements to determine my mash efficiency.




I normally don't, but some other homebrew boards operate on mash efficiency. I didn't realize the all in one's were so efficient. I set my estimated efficiency at 73% when i make my recipes, and i hit my numbers more often than not. Though now that i got a good hydrometer and milling my own grains my efficiency is starting to climb.
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