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Can I leave my Gumbo outside tonight?

Posted on 12/30/19 at 6:59 pm
Posted by Babewinkelman
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 6:59 pm
Should be 42 to 45 degrees at my house tonight. Chicken and sausage.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8125 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:10 pm to
Your gumbo has to cool to below 45 degrees. Then the gumbo needs to be kept below 45 degrees. Anything above that for multiple hours can result in harmful bacterial growth.

Will the outside temp cool it? Then, will the outside temp keep it cool?
Posted by Babewinkelman
Member since Jan 2015
1258 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:15 pm to
Thanks for the information. Going to ice down the pot and leave in my ice chest. If it was just for me, I would chance it.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:19 pm to
Why wouldn’t you just put it in the fridge?
Posted by Hat Tricks
Member since Oct 2003
28611 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:26 pm to
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Why wouldn’t you just put it in the fridge?


My guess is that he doesn't have enough space.
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:29 pm to
Transfer it ti smaller containers and put it in the fridge.
Posted by Babewinkelman
Member since Jan 2015
1258 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:30 pm to
Big arse pot. I usually split it up into smaller containers, and put in fridge. Going to a party tomorrow night and I was asked to make a gumbo. Going to bring the whole pot and reheat once I get to destination.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8125 posts
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:59 pm to
The hardest thing is to cool a gumbo. The safe way is to transfer to small, shallow dishes and refrigerate. The absolute best way is to ziploc and cover in ice.

Here’s what everyone needs to know in this situation:

When you boil the gumbo, it kills almost all the bacteria (enough to make it safe to eat). But there’s still a little bit there. That little bit has to grow to a big enough number in order for you to get sick. Warm temperatures allow the bacteria to grow quick. Cold temperatures slow down the growth which is why food lasts longer in a fridge.

So if the gumbo sits warm for hours (rule of thumb is over 4 hours can be bad), the bacteria can grow. If it grows to a large enough amount, it can get you sick.

Why not just reheat and boil it before eating to kill the bacteria that grew? Well, when you reheat it and bring it to a boil, it will kill a lot, but not all. So if a large amount grew, it may not kill enough to make it safe. Boiling it only kills X amount, and if you grew more than X amount, then there’s still enough bacteria there to get you sick.

This is as basic as can be as all bacteria types all have different growth rates and temperatures. And keep in mind that the bacteria has to be there to begin with. There’s not always Harmful bacteria there, it doesn’t come automatically with every food item. But there’s always a risk it is there or a risk that you introduce it. Which is why washing hands and preventing cross contamination is important.

Shallow containers are important if cooking in a fridge because the middle of the gumbo may take hours to cool if it’s a big container. This applies to a big pot. It’s near impossible to cool a big pot in 4 hours.

Knowledge is power. Understanding how it works and why helps a lot.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 9:02 pm
Posted by SmokedBrisket2018
Member since Jun 2018
1516 posts
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:00 am to
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Your gumbo has to cool to below 45 degrees. Then the gumbo needs to be kept below 45 degrees. Anything above that for multiple hours can result in harmful bacterial growth


I thought it was 40 degrees?
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8125 posts
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:23 am to
Yes, 40 degrees should be your benchmark. But since he was cooking and reheating within 24 hours, 45 degrees would have sufficed and would have cooled it enough for 24 hours. I was going with 45 because of the referenced outside temp, didn’t expect him to actually take the temp of the gumbo.
Posted by SmokedBrisket2018
Member since Jun 2018
1516 posts
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:32 am to
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45 degrees would have sufficed

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cooled it enough for 24 hours


I don't understand how that would work. Contradicts what the USDA states.

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Bacteria grow most rapidly in the range of temperatures between 40 °F and 140 °F, doubling in number in as little as 20 minutes.


quote:

One of the most common causes of foodborne illness is improper cooling of cooked foods. Bacteria can be reintroduced to food after it is safely cooked. For this reason leftovers must be put in shallow containers for quick cooling and refrigerated at 40 °F or below within two hours.


Source: USDA
Posted by GregMaddux
LSU Fan
Member since Jun 2011
18209 posts
Posted on 12/31/19 at 4:22 pm to
Yes definitely.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8125 posts
Posted on 12/31/19 at 6:41 pm to
USDA Appendix B

This is what you’re looking for.
Posted by SmokedBrisket2018
Member since Jun 2018
1516 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:21 am to
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USDA Appendix B

This is what you’re looking for.


Nah. I'm good.

I'll cool to 40 and not read the 53 page article.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
102962 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:43 am to
Remember that church fundraiser gumbo that killed all them folks a couple years ago!
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8125 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:19 am to
The 53 page article is the science behind the 40 degrees. USDA requires companies to use the article to prove your cooling methods are legit.

I agree with you, cool to 40 degrees. But if you want to educate yourself on the numbers that you posted to try to prove me wrong, then read the 53 page article.

It’s facts, man. I’m just dropping facts and showing links to back up said facts and you don’t like it. Why are you so mad that someone is bringing facts to inform the readers?
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33844 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:09 am to
40 is the correct temperature. You need to get that food cooled to under 70 within two hours then below 40 in the next 4 hours.
Posted by SmokedBrisket2018
Member since Jun 2018
1516 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:12 am to
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you don’t like it.


I don't want to read 53 pages man. 40 degrees. That is all I need to know.

quote:

Why are you so mad that someone is bringing facts to inform the readers?


I am not mad at all. Aren't you the "If you’re not using nitrite, you don’t have bacon you idiot." guy?





Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8125 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:27 am to
Lol! You’re like a woman, mad about something that was said in the past. Grow a pair and get over it, Susan.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted by nes2010
Member since Jun 2014
6752 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:06 pm to
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Why not just reheat and boil it before eating to kill the bacteria that grew? Well, when you reheat it and bring it to a boil, it will kill a lot, but not all.


Also some bacteria can produce heat stable toxins that will make you sick even after reheating.
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