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The Levee System, how it works, and how it can fail. Easy to Read

Posted on 5/24/11 at 2:25 pm
Posted by shaunmccarron29
Member since May 2011
14 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 2:25 pm
How are levees designed and constructed?

There are thousands of miles of levees along the rivers and coastal areas of the United States, and the vast majority of levees are made mainly of earth or soil. Since soil is not waterproof, most levees will leak or seep some water. Such leakage is normal, and engineers control it in various ways. One way is to install an internal drainage system that intercepts and removes the seepage. Another way is to reinforce the soil with concrete walls or sheet pile walls made of steel. It is also common to install clay or cement grout within the levee to reduce seepage. Usually, more than one of these design measures is employed within a levee system. The levee system in New Orleans contains all of these design types.

What causes a levee to fail?

Most levee failures can be attributed to one or more mechanisms.

#1 Sideways hydrostatic pressure, which essentially “pushes over” the levee from the high water side. This usually means that the levee is not massive enough.

#2 Seepage of water through or beneath the levee, which leads to “erosion from the inside out.” Such failures usually mean that the levee was not water resistant enough.

#3 This type of failure is known as overtopping, during which waves splash over the top of the levee and erode them from the outside inwardly.
Water in the river raises higher than the crown of the levee. The water flows over the crown and down the land side of the levee, eroding the levee from the back side.

#4 Surface erosion. During high water when the river water is against the levee, waves generated by wind will erode the water-side of the levee.

#5 Shear failure (slope instability) of the levee. Manifested as large slabs of the levee sides sliding down the side of the levee during or immediately after high-water. Many days of high water will saturate the surface layers of the levee (by phreatic water movement) making them heavier than the underlying layers. The heavier surface layers lose cohesion with the lower layers, resulting in the surface layer sliding down the slope of the levee. In older levees constructed of sand the entire levee can become saturated during a flood resulting in total collapse of the levee.

#6 Piping and underseepage. During a flood the water column exerts a weight upon the levee sides and adjacent floodplain that pushes water into any holes or cracks in the levee structure. If the water reaches the landside of the levee it will flow from the levee and carry levee material with it, resulting in the levee eroding from the inside out. Flood water flows through permeable soil material that underlies the levee. The water arises to the surface near the landside base of the levee in what is termed a ”boil”. Again, the water is flowing, so it is carrying levee foundation material out from under the levee.


In some sections of New Orleans the levees are underlain by weak soils that are slowly compressing or sinking (organic silts). In some areas the city is sinking as much as 5 mm per year, which equates to about 2 inches in 10 years. To complicate matters, the sea level is rising globally, in the range of 2-4 mm per year; that means the city is losing an additional inch, with a water level rise of about 3 inches in 10 years. It is clear that any intermediate to long-term solution must take into account this rise of the water levels. Extending the prediction to 100 years, for example, means a rise in the water level of about 3 feet if current rates continue.

Hope that helps. If you feel any of the above is not factual, research the specific matter yourself, and then post your findings. This is how we learn.

Have a good 1



Posted by DollaChoppa
I Simp for ACC
Member since May 2008
84774 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 2:48 pm to
Doubt it.

Prove it.
Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
Edmond, OK
Member since Oct 2007
10004 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 2:49 pm to
Did you come over here from godlikeproductions?

I bet you did. You conspiracy quacks are awesome. What is your handle over there? I want to see what you said about the Deepwater Horizon explosion and spill.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58123 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 2:59 pm to
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I want to see what you said about the Deepwater Horizon explosion and spill.


This is why it isn't worth responding to everyone of these quacks who post something crazy. Saw so much of this after the Horizon explosion that it is just not any fun anymore to entertain this stuff.
Posted by knorth
Southern California
Member since Jun 2010
52 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 3:08 pm to
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You conspiracy quacks are awesome.

Are you actually suggesting that any discussion of levee failures is only of interest to conspiracy theorists?

FYI, here's an excerpt from an Army Corp of Engineers document:

USACE Public Notice

quote:

Seepage that occurs during flood conditions on the Mississippi River needs to be controlled in order to ensure that the levee system does not fail during a project flood event. Seepage could undermine the levee causing it to breach if unabated, and thus pose a threat of flooding to the surrounding lands and residential areas, and so threaten the lives and property of redsidents within the flood areas.
Posted by JulianD
Member since May 2011
49 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 3:12 pm to
No one is saying that it's only of interest to conspiracy nuts. It's just this guy is a confirmed one.

All the info he cut and pasted above is accurate, doubt anyone would dispute that. And hey, this time he left out the terrorists.
Posted by knorth
Southern California
Member since Jun 2010
52 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

No one is saying that it's only of interest to conspiracy nuts. It's just this guy is a confirmed one.

All the info he cut and pasted above is accurate, doubt anyone would dispute that
My experience using discussion forums has been that you get much more useful information from a message thread when the participants focus on the message content instead of making ad hominem attacks on the messenger.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58123 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 3:27 pm to
Go read his other thread about "This is fun, see where you are".
See if that deserves really responding too also.
Posted by DaphneTigah
Flying under the radar.
Member since Dec 2007
4980 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 3:39 pm to
I won't jump on the OP for his opinion. Certainly he is trying to paint a graphic picture of a dooms day scenario if the levee were to fail.

You guys are taking the bait everytime you attack him however. (SEC rantard style)

I do remember back in 2003, NOAA drove every square inch of S.East Louisiana (I-10 & South) with GPS elevation equipment and found that alot of areas are sinking. At the time, Terrebonne Parish was, on average, 2' above sea level or below and SINKING at 1/2'' a year. Pretty nasty findings and certainly not surprising. (Sorry, don't have a link.)

It's very sad that South Louisiana is sinking. However, she will always be Sportsman's Paradise!

Posted by JulianD
Member since May 2011
49 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 3:52 pm to
Google Earth has some awesome time lapse images put together too. One is 10 years of the Chandeleurs. Impressive and sad
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
29206 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 3:57 pm to
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Army Corp of Engineers


Conpiracy nuts.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24954 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

Terrebonne Parish was, on average, 2' above sea level or below and SINKING at 1/2'' a year. Pretty nasty findings and certainly not surprising. (Sorry, don't have a link.)


I have always wondered if sucking all that oil and natural gas out of the ground isn't the main culprit in this.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

I have always wondered if sucking all that oil and natural gas out of the ground isn't the main culprit in this.


It is a localized contributing factor.

there is also faulting associated with geosynclinal subsidence which also contributes along with relative sea level rise and soil compaction.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164137 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 5:55 pm to
shaunmccarron29 and Julie have to be from godlikeshitproductions.

Tigerdroppings has been posted over there.

THERE WERE NO PLANES!!!!!
Posted by JulianD
Member since May 2011
49 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 6:04 pm to
Ehh??? Say what now?
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/24/11 at 11:26 pm to
I read somewhere that the main concern is erosion and how much shoreline LA loses each year. It said if it wasn't controlled somehow, New Orleans would be 15 miles offshore (surrounded by levees) in the year 2050.

Regardless, with so many issues facing the city, I dont see it being ok 20-30 years from now.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 5/25/11 at 4:12 am to
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I read somewhere that New Orleans would be 15 miles offshore (surrounded by levees) in the year 2050.


quit reading the RANT
Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
Edmond, OK
Member since Oct 2007
10004 posts
Posted on 5/25/11 at 5:26 am to
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Are you actually suggesting that any discussion of levee failures is only of interest to conspiracy theorists?


I'm actually suggesting that this one poster has a history of these types of posts. That's all he ever posts about. And seems to be all he came here to do. Like his other peeps from godlikeproductions that came over here to spout their intelligence after the DWH accident.

This guy comes here and posts his "research" but provides no link where he got it from, and finishes his post with this:

quote:

Hope that helps. If you feel any of the above is not factual, research the specific matter yourself, and then post your findings. This is how we learn.


I'd like to know what his educational background is, he area of expertise in flooding and levee systems, is he an engineer? He's really not provided me with any useful information, except for comedic relief from the real world.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57306 posts
Posted on 5/25/11 at 8:48 am to
I get this guy might be a nut, but what does that have to do with his actual post?

Levee systems fail. He presented ways in which they can fail. Discuss. Who care's if he is a quack?
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/25/11 at 9:24 am to
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theunknownknight


I'm with you...all everybody does is plow the guy for being extreme, but NO ONE actually discredits his erosion theory.

SO my guess is no one knows and its easier to take shots at his character, education, or anything else not related to the facts.
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