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Plant closings/slow downs due to high water in MS?

Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:39 am
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:39 am
Heard of any?
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:41 am to
Someone posted yesterday that Exxon was closing this am at 6 ... doesn't Exxon have more than 1 plant? No particular one was specified.
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:44 am to
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:48 am to
This article talks about how an oil tanker turned around because it couldn't get under the MS River bridge...

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Posted by T Ba Doe Tiger
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:49 am to
quote:

Posted by GeismarGeauxer
This article talks about how an oil tanker turned around because it couldn't get under the MS River bridge...

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Isn't this part of why loop exists?
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:05 am to
LOOP
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Not sure if all BR/NO refineries have access to it/use it...
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:14 am to
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sure if all BR/NO refineries have access to it/use it...


Most do. The loop allows larger ships to discharge crude, ones that are too large and with too much DWT. Most crude ships that come up the river are around 800ft. and have an onboard total of around 500K bbl. Funny thing about the ship that couldn't make it under the bridge Sunday, they have had 4-5 other ships make it under that same bridge...


Posted by jmeng
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:15 am to
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Someone posted yesterday that Exxon was closing this am at 6 ... doesn't Exxon have more than 1 plant? No particular one was specified.


Exxon is not closing. The dock is shutting down today (or has shut down) and rates will probably be cut back in the plant. No shutdowns are planned that I've heard about.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:18 am to
Some refineries run off a mix of ship and pipeline and without the ship, they don't have enough to run high rates and may decide to shutdown. Plus some of the docks used to ship out product are unusable so they may b getting to where they can't make anymore because they have nowhere to put it.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:29 am to
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Some refineries run off a mix of ship and pipeline and without the ship, they don't have enough to run high rates and may decide to shutdown.


Most run more than one crude. The main thing that separates the crudes are what can and can not be used for lube stock. Some of the larger refineries may run a minimum of 8 crudes.


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Plus some of the docks used to ship out product are unusable so they may b getting to where they can't make anymore because they have nowhere to put it.


In plant storage also comes into play, barges are used for floating storage.

As far as shutting down, not many will have a full shut down, reduced rates will come into play here. There is only so much you can move by Pipeline, Truck, Rail, etc.

The only full shutdowns will be the dock portion. Unless a plant has problems with power, water, utilities, etc.

This post was edited on 5/12/11 at 10:30 am
Posted by TheWiz
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:45 am to
Correct Dad, I should have specified that ExMob BR's DK was shutting down & not the plant. After speaking to DK's in the LMR area, I believe almost all are still fully functional. As of now, a few places have barges lined up as "contingency barges."
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 10:50 am to
Anyone want to guess the cheapest way to transport mogas?

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As of now, a few places have barges lined up as "contingency barges."


But if river traffic is halted? Too many thing come into play.
Posted by TheWiz
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 11:39 am to
It'll be a mess if/when they halt river traffic. VTC was in contact with us this morning to monitor traffic. They plan to close the Port Allen Route in the next day or so. Here is the current condition on most of the fleets in the area:



Bayou Fleet is currently at about half capacity and should have space for us. They plan to operate at about 75% capacity in order to have a little “wiggle room” for their regular customers.



St. John Fleet is OK with capacity for now. We will have to stand by our tow while in the fleet.



Carline Fleet has space for XXXXX as a customer in their Burnside Fleet. They are planning to shut down midstreaming in and out and night, but we ought to be able to get in and out as needed if we keep our tows on the outside of the fleet tiers. I asked their Dispatcher to keep reminding our guys to keep moved to the outside of tiers and do not let themselves get buried in the fleet. If things get “dicey”, they may want us to consolidate tows up in Geismar, and shut down Burnside, but will let us fleet, again, if we stay on our own tow.



Turn Services is really tight right now, but the ship is leaving later today and things should ease a little. They are going to want us to stay with our tows. It will be day to day as far as space.



McKinney in Baton Rouge will be day to day, as it always seems to be.

Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 11:50 am to
I know they have been using an assist boat for the locks below I-10 Bridge.

The Ace G Tug in BTR use to belong to my cousins, before it was sold and renamed.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 2:23 pm to
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I believe almost all are still fully functional.


from the pics I saw the Rhodia dock is no longer functional.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
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Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:55 pm to
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About a dozen chemical plants affected by water

Dan Borné, president of the Louisiana Chemical Association, says about a dozen area plants are being affected by the high Mississippi River. The effects vary by degree and cover everything from docks being underwater to plants not being able to receive raw materials because of disruptions to the supply chain. Borné says the biggest issue plants are facing is the uncertainty concerning whether or when the Morganza spillway will open. "We plan a long way ahead in our business," he says. "If the Morganza is opened, it will mean adjusting operations."

In other news about the rising river:

— A public meeting to provide information about the rising river and the state of levees will be held at 6:30 p.m. in the Louisiana School for the Deaf auditorium off of Brightside Lane. Representatives from the city-parish Department of Public Works will be on hand for the meeting, called by Metro Councilman Chandler Loupe.

— The city-parish Department of Public Works is not distributing sandbags, reserving the ones they have to reinforce seepage areas and low points along the levees, says William Daniel, acting director. DPW can direct interested business owners to vendors.

— For information from the Mayor's Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, call 389-2100 any time or visit brgov.com/emergency.

— The Port of New Orleans says it is preparing for the possible closing of the river to ship traffic as early as Monday. A port spokesman says the Coast Guard plans to close the river from the Gulf of Mexico to Baton Rouge once water reaches the 18-foot level at the Carrollton gauge, a river level measure at New Orleans.

— Conrad Industries Inc. says it has temporarily shuttered its Morgan City shipyard along the Atchafalaya River.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
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Posted on 5/13/11 at 6:10 am to
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Industry keeps eye on flooding


Each inch the Mississippi River rises seems to trigger a new set of worries, ranging from protecting equipment to product transportation issues, among dozens of petrochemical plant and other operators clustered along the river.

“We have electrical pumps that feed river water to our plant to use in our processes,” said Gerald Lasseigne, safety and security supervisor for Louisiana at the Mosaic Chemical Co. in St. James Parish. “And the electrical wires to the pumps are below the docks,” he said.

The threat of high water means those electrical systems have to be shut down, nearly stopping production at the company’s phosphate plant, Lasseigne said.

“As the water rises, it gets into the electrical and we have to stop that ahead of time before it becomes a problem. We have to kill all the electric to those pumps,” he added.

Other plants are dealing with transportation issues as flooding elsewhere limits both river and rail traffic.

One plant that depends on a rail connection with Memphis, Tenn., is experiencing delays because of flooding upriver, said Dan Borne, president of the Louisiana Chemical Association, an industry group that’s closely watching the river levels.

“The Memphis connection is not so much a river connection; it’s a rail connection. And they can’t get rail out of Memphis because of the flood. It has impacts on various types of modes of transportation,” Borne said.

Anticipating problems from Mississippi River levels not seen in more 80 years, a number of chemical plants took action last week when docks and other river structures were more accessible, Borne said.

“Some plants are having problems shipping products out,” he said. “Some plants pre-shipped products to customers when they realized that there would be restrictions on certain types of vessels moving up and down the river.”

ExxonMobil has 400 workers keeping surveillance on river activity as the river stage at Baton Rouge continues to climb.

The Mississippi River at Baton Rouge is expected to crest May 22 at 47.5 feet, with levee protection ranging from 47.3 to 51 feet. The river was at 43.4 feet as of 8 p.m. Thursday.

As a precaution, ExxonMobil has put in place some 2,300 sand bags as well as staged water pumps and generators, said Stephanie Cargile, public and government affairs manager.

It should be noted that these river stages are predicted only if the Morganza Spillway north of Baton Rouge is not opened to divert some of the water flowing down the Mississippi River.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is expected to decide this weekend about opening the Morganza Spillway to relieve water levels. The Bonnet Carre Spillway, north of New Orleans, was opened earlier this week.

If no action is taken, the movement of vessels up and down the river could grind to a near halt as early as Tuesday if the water keeps rising on its projected path, the U.S. Coast Guard is reporting.

As of Thursday, the Carrollton gauge, a river level marker in New Orleans was at 17.1 feet, said Ronald Branch, vice president for government affairs with the Mississippi River Maritime Association. At 17.5 feet restrictions are placed on deep-draft, ocean-going vessels, Branch said.

If no action is taken, the river is expected to reach 18.5 feet by Tuesday, which is the level that the river between Baton Rouge and the Gulf of Mexico is closed to navigational traffic, according Coast Guard advisories.

With the decision about the Morganza Spillway still to be made, the Port of New Orleans told The Associated Press it is preparing for the possible closing of the river to ship traffic as early as Monday. The ultimate decision would come from the Coast Guard, said port spokesman Chris Bonura.

Ships approaching the river from the Gulf are being informed, Bonura said.

If the river is closed, one of the world’s busiest commercial waterways would come to a halt. Barges headed south from the nation’s heartland to the Port of South Louisiana at Reserve, upriver from New Orleans, would be unable to reach grain elevators. Massive grain ships that carry U.S. corn, soybeans and other crops out of the country would be unable to move. Shipments of Venezuelan heavy crude oil that come in by tanker to a refinery in Chalmette would be locked out of the river, though most refineries on the river are fed by pipelines.

“We’re asking for the Morganza Spillway to go ahead and let’s open that up,” said Connie Fabre, executive director of the Greater Baton Rouge Industry Alliance.

Fabre said she’s sensitive to the thousands of acres of cropland and other properties that will be flooded if the spillway is opened, which has not happened since 1973.

“We have to make that decision in light of the communities, and we understand that, and we really want the corps to make a decision as judiciously as possible, and that meets the needs of all Louisianians the best,” Fabre said. “Economic issues aren’t always over-arching. You have to weigh the community. But make a decision.”

It’s not just farmers and rural areas preparing for flooding, should the corps decide to open the Morganza floodgates. Land along the Atchafalaya River is also subject to flooding because of the massive amounts of water that would flow into the Atchafalaya Basin.

Conrad Industries Inc. in Morgan City said it has temporarily shuttered its shipyard along the Atchafalaya River. The yard is outside protective levees.

The company has moved vessels under construction, about 200 employees and contract workers and major equipment to its two shipyards at Amelia along the Intracoastal Waterway. Conrad builds tugboats, offshore supply boats and other vessels, many employed by the offshore oil industry.

Alon Refinery in Krotz Springs is finalizing a plan to further protect its refinery and equipment by constructing an additional levee to prevent floodwater from entering the refinery property.

Other companies like Houston-based Kirby Corp., an inland waterways tank barge operator on the Mississippi, is scaling back second-quarter earnings estimates because of  reduced shipping activity.

The company said in a statement that it is being affected by high water on the Mississippi River and noted that opening the Morganza Spillway could cause conditions that result in the closure of the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway in the Morgan City area to marine traffic up to several weeks.

“Unfortunately, until the flooding subsides and tank barge traffic resumes, it is not possible for us to accurately assess the financial impact of these historic events,” Joe Pyne, Kirby’s chairman and chief executive officer, said in a statement Thursday.

The Associated Presscontributed to this report.

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Posted on 5/17/11 at 9:07 pm to
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