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re: Morganza 101 for dummies

Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22812 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:01 pm to
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my point is the fact that tourism and the port are not the two biggest industries in la.


The Port is BY FAR the most important asset to the State of La. Period the end. Like early poster said, w/o the port agriculture would be fricked. Seriously, truck that stuff around?? Come on man!
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:03 pm to
Before I say this, know that I understand why certain lands would be flooded for NO and BR. They are our state's two most important cities and tons of people live there.

Saying that, I find it funny that people living in these areas say stuff like "They know what could happen when they built there" or "I don't feel sorry for them. They knew this would flood one day". First off, these are probably some of the same people from New Orleans who went through Katrina. Were people telling you "Whatever. You knew what would happen when you built your city where you built". And people in BR, YOU LIVE ON THE RIVER. The same can be said of you. You knew that you could flood also. Like I said, I understand why other places must be flooded, but you need to understand that these places are going to be flooded for you, even though you built your city was built in an equally "dumb" spot.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22812 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:06 pm to
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Morganza 101 for dummies


Dude these land owners had to sign some kind of document saying they understand that their land could be used as a spill way. It is way different then levee system failing in NO.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25532 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:08 pm to
Very different. Not guaranteed to be considered a natural disaster for some folks either.
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:08 pm to
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Dude these land owners had to sign some kind of document saying they understand that their land could be used as a spill way. It is way different then levee system failing in NO.



Oh, I know. And I also agree with you. They did know this going in. That this could happen. But someone in NO or BR saying that is kinda crazy to me. Thing is, it's not just farm lands and such that will be flooded. Places like Morgan City will be fricked because of this.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25532 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:10 pm to
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Places like Morgan City will be fricked because of this.


Many people don't realize how much oil/gas, and shipbuilding infrastructure there in in the Morgan City area that is going to be impacted by this event.
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:11 pm to
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Many people don't realize how much oil/gas, and shipbuilding infrastructure there in in the Morgan City area that is going to be impacted by this event.



Which is my point. It's not just farmland that will be flooded. It'll be places along the Atchafalaya River further downstream.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22812 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:12 pm to
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But someone in NO or BR saying that is kinda crazy to me.


Is it risky to live in some areas of NO? Yes. HOWEVER, we also pay MUCH higher insurance rates to cover that risk.

I assume these farm owners do too so that is why i am not all that worried about their property.
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:16 pm to
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I assume these farm owners do too so that is why i am not all that worried about their property.



They do, but I think they only get it if it's declared a natural disaster. Obviously it should be if it happens, but you never know. Like I said though, it isn't just farmers I'd worry about. Plenty of people will lose everything they have if the spillway is opened. Then again, plenty of people could lose everything if they aren't opened. It's a catch 22. I understand they will open it for BR and NO. They are the two most important cities to the state.
Posted by halleburton
Member since Dec 2009
1562 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:32 pm to
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quote: I would bet that there are more people working in the plants on the river, boats and ships on the river, ports up and down the river, everything and anything relating to the river than farms in this state....all those farms need the river to move their product, where it goes overseas or not.....it all flows north and south on the Miss River.

quote: steak dinner you name the place


No dog in this fight, was curious of the answer myself.

Taken from LA 2005 employment report
[link=(www.laworks.net/Downloads/LMI/2005pub.pdf)]PDF[/link]

2005 - EMP. % OF TOTAL
AVERAGE EMPLOYMENT 1,840,669 100.0%
Agriculture, Forestry, Fishing, and Hunting 11,437 0.6%
Mining 42,478 2.3%
Utilities 15,055 0.8%
Construction 127,857 6.9%
Manufacturing 151,804 8.2%
Wholesale Trade 73,956 4.0%
Retail Trade 220,548 12.0%
Transportation and Warehousing 77,881 4.2%
Information 32,054 1.7%
Finance and Insurance 61,165 3.3%
Real Estate and Rental and Leasing 35,114 1.9%
Professional and Technical Services 75,719 4.1%
Management of Companies and Enterprises 21,653 1.2%
Administrative and Waste Services 94,404 5.1%
Educational Services 173,473 9.4%
Health Care and Social Assistance 264,501 14.4%
Arts, Entertainment, and Recreation 44,417 2.4%
Accommodation and Food Services 163,013 8.9%
Other Services, except Public Administration 49,701 2.7%
Public Administration 101,730 5.5%
This post was edited on 5/12/11 at 3:44 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32674 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:46 pm to
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Seriously, truck that stuff around?? Come on man!


yeah.. that's what happens to the vast majority of la ag products..
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32674 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:47 pm to
transportation would be the river...

i like my steak medium rare
Posted by halleburton
Member since Dec 2009
1562 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:56 pm to
I thought you said Agriculture was bigger?

Regardless, you have to think a pretty good portion of manufacturing and transportation totals are related to the river.
Posted by duchuntintiger
Somewhere
Member since Aug 2008
3621 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:56 pm to
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obviously you're just a dumb arse farm boy who's never left the one red light town that you and your sister now are raising your family in.
Posted by agdoctor
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2004
3170 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 4:02 pm to
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I assume these farm owners do too so that is why i am not all that worried about their property.


Property like buildings is not an issue here. The millions of dollars worth of crops is the issue. They will not collect on insurance if Morganza is opened but they will if it over tops. That being said the government can do anything they want and still cover it.The farmers would most likely recover expenses but profits would definately be gone.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32674 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 4:02 pm to
we don't manufacture in the river now do we.
Posted by mgdtiger
Member since May 2006
3100 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 4:59 pm to
not sure where i see mnfg as agriculture. The vast majority of the manufacturing in the state would probably be at the various plants.

New Orleans exports up to 25% of the nations exports. Louisiana makes up to 25% of the nations petrochemicals. A large portion of that is b/w BR and NO.

I am sure no one is happy anywhere is flooding. Unfortunately you have to make a choice. One choice is from Morganza down the Mississippi. The other is the spillway area downstream on the atchafalaya. Economic impact is not comparable when you compare infrastrucutre loss esp. when 40% of the pop. lives in one area. And a large portion of the petrochem is in this area. As opposed to a lesser amount of pop and a lesser portion of the petrochem. Neither is ideal, nothing is good. Lesser of two evils.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
38620 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 5:13 pm to
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Why is opening up the morganza such a bigger deal than opening up the spillway?


May be a dumb question, but what's the difference? Morganza is the spillway, right?
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22812 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 5:56 pm to
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May be a dumb question, but what's the difference? Morganza is the spillway, right?


BC Spillway is just a straight shot from the river to the lake. No property damage. Just very short term (actually better for long term) impact on seafood industry.

Morganza could potentially damage property and crops.
Posted by DCBJR6
Madisonville, LA
Member since Jan 2011
4252 posts
Posted on 5/12/11 at 6:15 pm to
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Plenty of people will lose everything they have if the spillway is opened. Then again, plenty of people could lose everything if they aren't opened.


I would hope that majority of those people who are in harm's way would have already started taking precautions to prevent this. Packing everything possible and taking head of the week long warnings. A breach is a freak accident in which people have no time to react, especially when Landrieu is saying the city is safe and there's nothing to worry about.
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