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re: Answer me this about the Morganza structure???

Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:20 pm to
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:20 pm to
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town of Stephensville.


I thought this was on the east side of the levee not in the basin?



Backwater flooding
Posted by Bowe Knows
Member since Sep 2004
959 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:43 pm to
Point is none of these people would be flooding without the opening of the Morganza structure.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
78255 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:47 pm to
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Point is none of these people would be flooding without the opening of the Morganza structure.



Baton Rouge and New Orleans would be flooding instead

This post was edited on 5/13/11 at 10:49 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:53 pm to
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Might be true, but there are some very nice subdivisions with $500K+ houses in the path too: LINK


It may or may not flood in Stephenville. But I am pretty sure they knew they were in some danger of flooding when they built here.

I don't want to be a Richard here, and I feel for those folks. But look at where Stephenville is:

LINK

Nobody could live there and not know that there is a very high risk of flooding.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:55 pm to
Not reading through thread so sorry if this was already posted but when people buy in that area they sign a letter to sign EVERY year saying they understand they may be flooded should a need arise.
Posted by Bender
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 11:22 pm to
That place is surrounded by water. You'd think they would have built elevated houses?
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33986 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 12:04 am to
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Might be true, but there are some very nice subdivisions with $500K+ houses in the path too
those homes are probably $500k in Metairie and Baton Rouge, but in Stephensville, thats probably a $300k subdivision
Posted by Rocketvapor
Covington
Member since May 2011
42 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 12:16 am to
That "worst Case" sketch shows the west basin fuse plug level holding. I doubt it would if the Morganza wasn't opened.
Posted by sugarcane64
Morgan City
Member since Jan 2005
647 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 2:05 am to
Morgan City sits on the banks of the Atchafalaya River. Morgan City was originally called Tiger Island by surveyors appointed by U.S. Secretary of War John Calhoun because of a particular type of wild cat seen in the area. It was later called Brashear City after Walter Brashear, a prominent Kentucky physician who purchased large tracts of land and acquired numerous sugar mills.[1] It was incorporated in 1860 as Brashear City and in 1876, the community's name was changed to Morgan City in tribute to Charles Morgan, rail and steamship magnate who first dredged the Atchafalaya Bay Ship Channel to accommodate ocean-going vessels.[2][3] Star Fort ,Also known as Fort Brashear. This site was the larger of two works erected to defend Morgan City, then Brashear City and a Federal military depot. On the night of June 22, 1863, 325 Confederates of Gen. A.A. Mouton's command landed their skiffs and flats in rear of the town. Attacking the next day, they captured the garrison of 700 Federals and immense military stores, while suffering losses of only 3 killed, 18 wounded.


So yeah Id say Morgan City was there before the Morganza Spillway!

This post was edited on 5/14/11 at 2:06 am
Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
19696 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 3:05 am to
I can't believe this is even a thread. The loss of BR and nola would cripple the U. S. Economy not to mention the huge financial burden of rebuilding.

Please just stop. The morganza should and will be open. The dye is cast when you move to a federal floodway...and get compensated!

Nola and br will and should be saved at all costs
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14523 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 4:04 am to
tiger attorney you miss the point. I'm not saying the gates shouldnt be opened but to sit here and say frick these people who will be flooded because they knew what they were getting into . At no point in my thread did i say dont open the gates. I keep hearing well the corp of engineers sends out a letter every year. BIG FLIPPING CRAP!!!does that include a check to move?Im sure most of these peoples relatives were there long before the government decided to build a spillway up north from them. Hell you moved to a city right by a river so if BR would flood do i say you idiots moved there you knew the risk? hell i live by an ocean i know the risk but opportunity brought me here.So i live here. Same for you and same for the people south of the spillway.You must be an attorney because you definetly have the compassion of one.Good luck to all in La especially the people downstream from the spillway.
This post was edited on 5/14/11 at 4:35 am
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 6:54 am to
I do not think anyone here is says frick those people. The Morganza spillway is there for a purpose and everyone knows that.

Most of the land being flooded is farm land. Most of the structures being affected are primative camps where people know the chances or industries built inside the floodwalls that provide access to the rivers. There are really no houses in the spillway itself.

Some others areas will be affected by mimimal backwater flooding.

As stated before most of these area would flood more often is not for the Morganza structure.

From the official Morgan City website.

The City of Morgan City is located in the eastern portion of St. Mary Parish approximately 20 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. The area consists mainly of low coastal marshes with ridges of higher alluvial land along the rivers and bayous. Morgan City is situated along the east bank of the Atchafalaya River at the intersection of the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway. Lake Palourde lies to the north and east of the city. The Atchafalaya River, the Gulf Intracostal Waterway and other watercourses in the area have made Morgan City attractive to the fishing, construction, transportation and petroleum industries.

Although ponding of runoff produced by rainstorms and hurricanes causes significant flooding in Morgan City, the most severe flooding in the major part of the City has been caused from the Atchafalaya River, a tributary of the Mississippi River. Major floods of the Mississippi River and its tributaries occurred in 1927, 1937, 1945, 1950, 1973, 1974, and 1975. The flood of 1927 was the most disastrous in the recent recorded geological history of the lower Mississippi River Valley. A significant portion of land adjacent to the Atchafalaya River was inundated by the floodwaters of 1927. Flooding extended continuously from the Teche Ridge (west of Morgan City) to Lafourche Ridge (east of Morgan City). The flood of 1927 had an estimated recurrence interval of 50 years. The flood of 1973, which had an estimated recurrence interval of 40 years, was the largest flood on the Mississippi River since 1927. The maximum stage of the Atchafalaya River at Morgan City during the 1973 flood was 10.5 feet, or 2.5 feet below the top of the floodwall. During the 1973 flood, heavy losses were experienced by industries located on the Atchafalaya River side of the levee in Morgan City.


So as you can see, the Morgan City area flooded every 10 years before the Morganza spillway was constructed, and this will be only the second time in the last 57 years since the spillway was built it has been flooded due to the opening of the spillway itself.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:14 am to
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I keep hearing well the corp of engineers sends out a letter every year. BIG FLIPPING CRAP!!!does that include a check to move?
Hey, you build on the Gulf Coast you know one hurricane could take it all...you build in the Basin...
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38431 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:22 am to
No one say Frick those people. No one says who cares they get a letter in the mail every year. What people are saying is that this is the only way for it to happen. I can't fathom how people wantto flood BR and Nola because they don't like city folk and the small towns should be protected. What people don't realize is if the spillway is not opened we will likely have multiple levee breaches that would cause longterm problems for the area much less the economy.

As unfortunate as it may be, this is how it is. You cant flood the BR nola corridor to save a few towns of 6k people, it doesn't work that way.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:26 am to
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does that include a check to move?
The check was paid to the landowners in the sixties when it was built. The Corps bought floodway easements.

Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:28 am to
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Kajungee


Amen. That is it exactly.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:32 am to
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The die is cast when you move to a federal floodway...and get compensated!


Got compensated. The original landowners got paid.

Plus, I think the one thing they could do that MIGHT make the Corp liable in this instance -- as the Corps is immune from civil liability by law -- is to fail to open the structures, at least the ORCS.

I, too, am an ADL, Tiger Attorney. Know what that is? Another Damn Lawyer.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:35 am to
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That place is surrounded by water. You'd think they would have built elevated houses?


Many do in the basin. In some other places like Old River, there are houses that are as high as the levee. There is one old oilfield guy who built his camp out there up on drive pipe (if you are oilfield trash enough to know what that is), and he will probably make it.

But there are some places where you just cannot get high enough to stay above the water when they open the Morganza. And people living there know that.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:37 am to
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You must be an attorney because you definetly have the compassion of one.


I would put it differently. As attorneys, we are trained to see all sides of an issue. Tiger Attorney is just giving you that side.

If I were representing the folks in the basin, there are all sorts of things I could say on their behalf.

Here, I am representing me, someone who has spent his entire life with the rivers and bayous. So I am just telling you what I think.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
28073 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 8:40 am to
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I do not think anyone here is says frick those people


I don't know, there were some real douche bags on here the other day.
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