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re: W......T........F, Boo????? Yes, this needs it's own thread

Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:43 pm to
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:43 pm to
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Common sense says that if you knew you were getting a player in a trade, and needed to drop someone, that you would make sure that it was done before the deadline


Common sense says that the roster spot did nothing to increase his stats.

Common sense says that it was an honest mistake - he dropped the guy just a few minutes after rosters were locked.

Common sense says that some fringe contenders are more worried about their personal playoff spots than doing the right thing.

Even his fricking opponent saw it as an honest mistake and was willing to allow his points to count - and that is someone who has ran the fricking league before.

I honestly don't care either way but some of you are acting like robots here.
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:43 pm to
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the same could've been said for Ron's deal earlier in the year fwiw


What are you referring to? Refresh me.
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:44 pm to
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I didnt add walker and about 2 hours later he was picked up by someone else

Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74421 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:44 pm to
meh im tired of talking about it... im about to hit the other thread to try and work some deals, anyone interested can join me
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138509 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:45 pm to
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What are you referring to? Refresh me.
i really hope he is referring to TDBBL, which would be the worst comparison ever since it's a completely different league
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:45 pm to
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I honestly don't care either way but some of you are acting like robots here.


You call it acting like robots.
I call it acting consistent.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290723 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:45 pm to
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Common sense says that some fringe contenders are more worried about their personal playoff spots than doing the right thing.



bingo

Rondo has never been this gung-ho about this in the past. never.

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Common sense says that it was an honest mistake - he dropped the guy just a few minutes after rosters were locked.



this is the key.

Nobes, you ask who is to determine benefit??

come on dude. Its obvious there is zero benefit. Only an idiot would not be able to determine the benefit or lack of benefit in this instance.
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:47 pm to
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Common sense says that some fringe contenders are more worried about their personal playoff spots than doing the right thing.


I hope you aren't referring to me, cuz I said last night that if I was playing LE, I would have granted him the days stats. However, other teams are affected by it, so it needs to be agreed upon by everyone.

Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:48 pm to
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Who's to determine benefit? And interpreting if the added player adds benefir everytime this happens is not the way to handle this.


Really? I love how you try to break this down so analytically yet you can't seem to figure out that in this specific instance 0 stats would be affected with the extra roster spot. If you can give me an example, any example, of how Les could have benifited or how someone else could have been affected, I will side with you.
Posted by rondo
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Member since Jan 2004
77515 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:49 pm to
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Common sense says that the roster spot did nothing to increase his stats.



Who determines this...really?

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Common sense says that it was an honest mistake - he dropped the guy just a few minutes after rosters were locked.


And he will likely not make the same error again...where the frick is accountability in all of this?

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Common sense says that some fringe contenders are more worried about their personal playoff spots than doing the right thing.


You do realize that RMCC is ahead of everyone thats voiced their opinion right...your point here holds no water...Giving the points to Marle would HURT a guy in front of us and help one behind us.

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Even his fricking opponent saw it as an honest mistake and was willing to allow his points to count


He isnt the only one effected how can you not see that???

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I honestly don't care either way but some of you are acting like robots here.



As a commisioner of a league myself I know that once you start using "common sense" as you put it to apply rules how you feel they should be and not how they are written, then you are just asking for trouble.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:49 pm to
I hate going "by the rules" when it makes absolutely no sense. There was no benefit to LE in this situation - he's not getting away with anything!

It's fricking childish and absurd to cling to the letter of the law in such a situation. It shows the pettiness of the individuals opposing the stat allowance.
Posted by rondo
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Member since Jan 2004
77515 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:50 pm to
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bingo

Rondo has never been this gung-ho about this in the past. never.



bullshite, in tdbbl Karma will definietle tell you I was one of the biggest opponents to him getting his way.


And how many goddamn times do I need to say it, I benefit more from rmcc losing a point that you losing a point?
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:52 pm to
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I hate going "by the rules" when it makes absolutely no sense. There was no benefit to LE in this situation - he's not getting away with anything!

It's fricking childish and absurd to cling to the letter of the law in such a situation. It shows the pettiness of the individuals opposing the stat allowance.


I agree 100%
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74421 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:52 pm to
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It shows the pettiness of the individuals opposing the stat allowance.


Posted by Ron Mexico
AMERICA
Member since Dec 2005
52037 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:53 pm to
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the same could've been said for Ron's deal earlier in the year fwiw

in tdbbl?

not the same at all. i, among the rest of the league, didnt know that would happen, as it had never happened before. this has happened before, and the person has had to deal with it

again, im all for the change bc it blows, but you are gonna have to have the rest of the league ok with it
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:53 pm to
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As a commisioner of a league myself I know that once you start using "common sense" as you put it to apply rules how you feel they should be and not how they are written, then you are just asking for trouble.


I think this is where my reasoning is coming from as well. I can't tell you how many times leagues that i've ran have come across "judgement calls." Following what the rules say eliminates any kind of leeway in either direction.
Posted by rondo
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Member since Jan 2004
77515 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:54 pm to
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I hate going "by the rules" when it makes absolutely no sense. There was no benefit to LE in this situation - he's not getting away with anything!



You guys sound like fricking rantards with this shite...NONE of you argued this rule was dumb. But now it is????

frick that.

It is apparently lost on you guys that have said that I am open to addressing the rule and its stupidness/smartness for the future, but to call into question a rule after the fact is fricking gay as shite.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290723 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:55 pm to
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again, im all for the change bc it blows, but you are gonna have to have the rest of the league ok with it



about 10 people have voiced their issue, only NObe and Redd would vote against it.

we dont have to vote to change a rule.

again, i think me dropping the player before any game starts should clear me of illegal lineup.
Posted by rondo
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Member since Jan 2004
77515 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:56 pm to
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I think this is where my reasoning is coming from as well. I can't tell you how many times leagues that i've ran have come across "judgement calls." Following what the rules say eliminates any kind of leeway in either direction.



and it takes bias out fo the equation too.

I cant believe Marle and Port are saying I am taking this stance to hurt a playoff contender.

I already stated, if Marles WHIP ERA and OPS were so bad that day that dropping the days stats would help him, I would still be opposed to this.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 6/28/10 at 4:57 pm to
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As a commisioner of a league myself I know that once you start using "common sense" as you put it to apply rules how you feel they should be and not how they are written, then you are just asking for trouble.


Dude you don't even have to ask for trouble if you can't understand that A.) human beings are going to make mistakes and that there is no harm correcting something if it had no affect whatsoever, and B.) this is fantasy baseball, not the court of law.

I don't see at all how this would be opening pandora's box. You keep talking about future instances...provide an example of what could happen if we decide to correct the stats.
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