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re: FSBDL 2017 - MWG is your Champion

Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:29 am to
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:29 am to
One day for trades? You can make your roster square when executing the trade. There is no reason to take a day

DL sure, those can sneak by you

I mean if you're adding a MiLB guy and not sending one out, you're going to have too many.


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Lets figure this out. Should we give teams a few days after trades? Dont want to give goodfellas a random pass and take it out on someone else later.


We've given 5 passes in the offseason. Nothing should happen to goodfellas bc the others were allowed to do it. So I think the rule has become take your time on adjusting rosters, DL, stashing ineligible MiLB past the AB/IP limit. No harm no foul even though papzy got the book thrown at him
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 12:44 am
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:44 am to
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One day for trades? You can make your roster square when executing the trade. There is no reason to take a day


I agree. I'm just siding on the leniency side. That's all.
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DL sure, those can sneak by you


Yeh especially the west coast guys.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:46 am to
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We've given 5 passes in the offseason. Nothing should happen to goodfellas bc the others were allowed to do it. So I think the rule has become take your time on adjusting rosters, DL, stashing ineligible MiLB past the AB/IP limit. No harm no foul even though papzy got the book thrown at him


Wait, what? I don't recall this. I remember add/drops turned off because the only reason for that rule is to prevent streaming.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:15 am to
There were a couple of instances of people doing exactly what earl did after trades
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104012 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 7:45 am to
I think you have to allow at least a day of leniency... if a trade goes through after games have started then players that need to be moved might be locked. Minors guys lock with their MLB team, so that could prevent an owner from making a lineup legal right away.

Not to mention I could propose a trade, and have it accepted hours later when I'm out of pocket and can't square it up right away.



Offseason has to be treated differently, because the penalty for an illegal lineup is to lose stats for the day, and there are no stats to be lost in the offseason.
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 7:51 am to
Ill be IRT later on to take a look at this. I will say that I'm sick of babysitting this fricking issue.
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:34 am to
I think these should always come down to, did the offender obtain some kind of advantage over his opponent or the league, generally.
Posted by RollDatRoll
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:46 am to
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I think these should always come down to, did the offender obtain some kind of advantage over his opponent or the league, generally.


Agreed. Also, what was the owners intention?

FWIW, I don't think this is a big deal.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74428 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:07 am to
I don't think Earl set out to gain an advantage.

I would just ask though, who ultimately decides the owners intent?

I mean, the rules clearly state 10 MiLB spots, 150 IP and whatever the AB is. Owners are moving guys back and forth strategically, once they lose eligibility they have to drop guys they don't want to, make corresponding moves after a trade or add is made, etc. Some make moves with this rule in mind

Half the league seems to operate under the rules and follow them strictly, the other half makes the necessary adjustments hours or days after

Ultimately I just ask, If we are going to strictly enforce the rule, then let's do it. If we are not, let's put it in writing so everyone gets to be more laxed on it. Either works but let's make a call here
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:10 am to
Would just like this to be black and white.

Rule is loss of stats, but Papz gets docked draft picks.

Owners made trades in offseason with illegal lineups, no penalty since there's no stats to cut.

Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:18 am to
Could someone give me a refresher on the Papz offense?
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:27 am to
Don't you have the option to say where a guy you trade for will fall in your lineup once the trade is executed?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104012 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:30 am to
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Don't you have the option to say where a guy you trade for will fall in your lineup once the trade is executed?


Yeah, but you don't have the option (I don't think) to choose someone to drop once the trade is executed... so once the trade went through it left Earl with 11 minors guys.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:33 am to
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Could someone give me a refresher on the Papz offense?



He had Ryan Howard, Dante Bichette, Cal Ripken Jr. and few other guys with questionable eligibility in his MiLB roster.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:39 am to
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He had Ryan Howard, Dante Bichette, Cal Ripken Jr. and few other guys with questionable eligibility in his MiLB roster.



Posted by Toula
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:40 am to
Didn't we have owners in the offseason try to make trades while having illegal lineups to get their lineup legal?

To me, that's more egregious than letting an illegal lineup sit post-trade for a couple days.

Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:41 am to
You could put the corresponding move in the trade comments in the event that you are doing something like going into the woods
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:46 am to
Ya member the commish was even doing that
Posted by PortCityTiger24
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:49 am to
I don't like the possibility of having lineup complications like this.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104012 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:51 am to
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To me, that's more egregious than letting an illegal lineup sit post-trade for a couple days.


I'm going to disagree, because functionally, there's no such thing as an illegal lineup in the offseason. If a team wants to not have a C for a while in January as they try to make a move or decide who to pick up, no harm done. If a team wants to sit on an extra minors guy in March while they decide who to drop, see who might make a roster, then no harm done. As long as they are legal by game time, it doesn't bother me.
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