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re: So What Is Everyone So Afraid Of?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:11 am to link
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:11 am to link
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it's pure projection, plain and simple. they know if they won, they'd rule with an iron fist. they'd love to shove policy after policy down the throats of "racist white people" and laugh, so they naturally assume the other side is going to do it to them now. i really don't think trump will, though.
That's really the underpinning of this post.
There are people who I disagree with who, 10 years ago, we'd have good, rational political discussion, find common ground and compromise and seek to understand each other.
But now? Conservatives hate women, minorities, illegals. They want to take rights from everyone, They believe in hate, etc. Political discourse has taken a huge hit, and no offense to the rational on the left, it always seems to be their perspective of the right that's the problem, or at least their perspective of conservatives.
Everything is emotional. Everything is an absolute, no compromise. No understanding. Now I get it, there are some places where I will stand my ground (abortion), but those places are few. It seems if I don't fall in line with ALL climate change regulation, then I hate the environment. If I don't support EVERYTHING LGBTQ's want, then I live in hate. It seems every issue is all in or you're a bigot/hater/etc.
Frustrating.
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:13 am to Freauxzen
Honestly, I'm not a Trump supporter, I also get why Hillary didn't win, people are tired of the politicians (and she's a career politician). It really was time for a change because people are tired of nothing getting done... I think a lot of people are just stuck on the fact that it's "this dude", he is just a little more in your face than some people like, and I think a lot of them feel he doesn't represent the face of the country as a whole. In the beginning his dismissive attitude turned a lot of people off, it's hard to look at his policies when you feel like he said I do need you anyway, si a lot of people said f u too. I don't think people are really scared, I just think people are sitting here thinking why did America chose him? Could have been any other Republican candidate and they would have probably beat Hillary... Why did it have to be this a-hole?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:18 am to GivEmWatDeyWant
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Honestly, I'm not a Trump supporter, I also get why Hillary didn't win, people are tired of the politicians (and she's a career politician). It really was time for a change because people are tired of nothing getting done... I think a lot of people are just stuck on the fact that it's "this dude", he is just a little more in your face than some people like, and I think a lot of them feel he doesn't represent the face of the country as a whole. In the beginning his dismissive attitude turned a lot of people off, it's hard to look at his policies when you feel like he said I do need you anyway, si a lot of people said f u too. I don't think people are really scared, I just think people are sitting here thinking why did America chose him? Could have been any other Republican candidate and they would have probably beat Hillary... Why did it have to be this a-hole?
The problem is: The Left has proven they will paint ANYONE on the right as something offensive. Mitt Romney was maybe the most inoffensive candidate of all time, great credentials, business acumen, moderate platform. And look what they did. He isn't a great conservative pick, but he was good for the time.
That's the problem. No matter who the right chooses they con everyone into thinking the worst every time. I honestly think it was Trump's aggressive "don't care" attitude that let him cut through that for the Rust Belt and other groups.
If the Left would stop that approach they might garner more respect from me.
It had to be this a-hole, because everyone on the right is an a-hole. I was behind Rand, and there are a lot of people saying "Anyone other than Trump would have beat Hillary more so," and I HIGHLY doubt that. There's no way to politely beat the Left's emotional use of the media imo.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:46 am to Freauxzen
I hear what your saying, but when you think about it Trump just used that exact same model to win, He successfully painted Hillary as a worse candidate than him, he waited til the stretch run and stuck it to her, every ad I saw said she wasa criminal and would get locked, so she couldn't run the country... not one ad about his policies. I guess timing was everything. Funny you should mention Romney, I think he would have easily beaten Hillary, and a much better candidate than either, he was a little bit of both of them with a better delivery. Obama beat him because he had a little more charisma, and a little less salesman in him. I don't really remember too much scandle outside of the tax stuff... which Trump just showed that doesn't matter much.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:47 am to Freauxzen
this is what i sent somebody earlier about how i was anticipating responding to either scenario
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"if the Trumpkins lost, it would be conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy...globalist elites, blah blah blah. the DEMs losing is having their smugness thrown back in their face and rage-quitting at logic and objective thought"
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:50 am to GivEmWatDeyWant
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I hear what your saying, but when you think about it Trump just used that exact same model to win, He successfully painted Hillary as a worse candidate than him, he waited til the stretch run and stuck it to her, every ad I saw said she wasa criminal and would get locked, so she couldn't run the country... not one ad about his policies.
Yeah, but this wasn't hard to do, and was less about emotions and more about criminality. The left uses emotion. (I'm not saying Trump didn't run on emotion at all, but he didn't use it like the left does).
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Funny you should mention Romney, I think he would have easily beaten Hillary, and a much better candidate than either, he was a little bit of both of them with a better delivery. Obama beat him because he had a little more charisma, and a little less salesman in him. I don't really remember too much scandle outside of the tax stuff... which Trump just showed that doesn't matter much.
Agree. He should have ran, but he is Establishment. That's a reason I'm ok with Trump, we need to reset politics and he was the only candidate to do that (Bernie might have been successful at that, and would have reversed this outcome easily).
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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this is what i sent somebody earlier about how i was anticipating responding to either scenario
Probably on point. I just didn't expect the rage quits from the more sensible left.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:54 am to Freauxzen
being ridiculously smug means you adapt well to not getting your way. they literally believe that their entire worldview is superior and elite and when they have to deal with that being proven wrong, their self-identity explodes internally
This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 10:56 am
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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being ridiculously smug means you adapt well to not getting your way. they literally believe that their entire worldview is superior and elite and when they have to deal with that being proven wrong, their self-identity explodes internally
Truth. This is also why they go to the lengths they do to discredit. The ends justify the means.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:59 am to Freauxzen
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What is he going to do that is so scary?
The only thing that scares me about Trump is how insecure and reactionary he has proven himself to be
I just don't trust him in a crisis situation or if division continues to grow in this country
That is what worries me about Trump
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:00 am to Freauxzen
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So What Is Everyone So Afraid Of?
People on both sides of the aisle are conditioned to vote on emotion not rationale. Even though most rationale people I know voted Trump, he doesn't win without Joe Blow voting emotionally and without rationale. It really is that simple, when people allow their emotion to be controlled they lose the ability to rationally look at things. Once the smoke settles and they realize that the US isn't stepping back into Jim Crow laws or the like maybe they will come around. That might be high hope though, because I still know Repubs who think Obama will take their guns away tomorrow and enact Sharia and Martial law, so maybe not all of them will come around.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:01 am to Freauxzen
just came back to post some Dave Rubin
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:04 am to Freauxzen
He said a lot of inflammatory shite during the primaries and people think he's legit crazy. He just said what he needed to to motivate his supporters and stay in the news.
He's not an ideologue and he's not too attached to either party. He's really not that conservative at all. If he governs reasonably they'll calm down. Some of them might even like him.
He's not an ideologue and he's not too attached to either party. He's really not that conservative at all. If he governs reasonably they'll calm down. Some of them might even like him.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:05 am to Freauxzen
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So What Is Everyone So Afraid Of?
Nobody is really afraid.
If anything is clear, the narrative is something that is a creation. It doesn't necessarily reflect reality. Usually, it reflects the delusion of the far left side of the spectrum.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:07 am to Zed
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He's not an ideologue and he's not too attached to either party. He's really not that conservative at all.
So he's a puppet for the GOP?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:11 am to Zed
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He's not an ideologue and he's not too attached to either party. He's really not that conservative at all. If he governs reasonably they'll calm down. Some of them might even like him.
This. Remember when people were complaining about him being too liberal to be a true Republican?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:13 am to Salmon
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The only thing that scares me about Trump is how insecure and reactionary he has proven himself to be
I just don't trust him in a crisis situation or if division continues to grow in this country
That is what worries me about Trump
And that's probably a fair concern, and I think, and hope, that's where the people that surround him come into play. That should give people comfort.
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