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re: ATF Proposed Rule Regarding Stabilizing Braces
Posted on 6/10/21 at 2:46 pm to tommy2tone1999
Posted on 6/10/21 at 2:46 pm to tommy2tone1999
Are there any bullet points on what our comment should include? I know that sounds lazy but I'd hate to leave out an aspect that doesn't have a direct impact on me
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Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:28 pm to tommy2tone1999
Here is text that Everyone can use to submit comments...just replace your name and address where appropriate
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ATTN: Docket Number ATF 2020R-10
To: Office of Regulatory Affairs
From: Your full name (required)
Your full mailing address (required)
I am submitting comments in opposition to proposed regulations posted on December 18 and entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces.’”
Millions of law-abiding American citizens took ATF at its word when the agency approved the installation of so-called “stabilizing braces” onto firearms receivers and promised that said firearms were handguns and not rifles.
Now, over eight years after your initial determination, you are soliciting comments on what the ATF is calling “objective design features” with an apparent goal of determining that many firearms with rifled bores that are shorter than 16 inches are short barreled rifles (SBRs).
The new, design based “features” are not objective, they are clearly subjective and look like they are designed and intended to bring your agency’s rule-making to a predetermined outcome.
These “features” do not appear anywhere in the US Code:
• Type and Caliber
• Weight and Length
• Length of Pull
• Attachment Method
• Stabilizing Brace Design Features
Not only do these terms NOT appear in the US Code, they are subject to varying interpretations. For example, a firearm that is considered heavy and long by a small statured person could just as easily be considered light and short by a larger framed person. Likewise for length of pull. In a free society, it is virtually impossible to regulate design features because smart people will continue to innovate and introduce newer, more effective products to the free market.
Furthermore, the inclusion of accessories in your evaluation process is equally absurd. ATF has the authority (within limits set by Congress) to regulate firearms and ammunition in interstate commerce. There is absolutely no statutory authority to regulate accessories such as:
• Secondary Grip
• Sights and Scopes
• Peripheral Accessories
It would be impossible to regulate what is literally thousands of different grips, sights, scopes and other peripheral accessories.
It is clearly obvious that ATF is attempting to write the law instead of enforcing the laws that Congress has enacted. This violates the Separation of Powers, not to mention the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
I urge you to reject this idea at once and immediately fall back to the position that ATF has taken since at least 2012, that the installation of a “stabilizing brace” on a firearm, does not change the firearm from a handgun into a rifle, irrespective of what other accessories might be used such as scopes or grips.
Thank you for your kind consideration.
Your Name
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ATTN: Docket Number ATF 2020R-10
To: Office of Regulatory Affairs
From: Your full name (required)
Your full mailing address (required)
I am submitting comments in opposition to proposed regulations posted on December 18 and entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces.’”
Millions of law-abiding American citizens took ATF at its word when the agency approved the installation of so-called “stabilizing braces” onto firearms receivers and promised that said firearms were handguns and not rifles.
Now, over eight years after your initial determination, you are soliciting comments on what the ATF is calling “objective design features” with an apparent goal of determining that many firearms with rifled bores that are shorter than 16 inches are short barreled rifles (SBRs).
The new, design based “features” are not objective, they are clearly subjective and look like they are designed and intended to bring your agency’s rule-making to a predetermined outcome.
These “features” do not appear anywhere in the US Code:
• Type and Caliber
• Weight and Length
• Length of Pull
• Attachment Method
• Stabilizing Brace Design Features
Not only do these terms NOT appear in the US Code, they are subject to varying interpretations. For example, a firearm that is considered heavy and long by a small statured person could just as easily be considered light and short by a larger framed person. Likewise for length of pull. In a free society, it is virtually impossible to regulate design features because smart people will continue to innovate and introduce newer, more effective products to the free market.
Furthermore, the inclusion of accessories in your evaluation process is equally absurd. ATF has the authority (within limits set by Congress) to regulate firearms and ammunition in interstate commerce. There is absolutely no statutory authority to regulate accessories such as:
• Secondary Grip
• Sights and Scopes
• Peripheral Accessories
It would be impossible to regulate what is literally thousands of different grips, sights, scopes and other peripheral accessories.
It is clearly obvious that ATF is attempting to write the law instead of enforcing the laws that Congress has enacted. This violates the Separation of Powers, not to mention the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
I urge you to reject this idea at once and immediately fall back to the position that ATF has taken since at least 2012, that the installation of a “stabilizing brace” on a firearm, does not change the firearm from a handgun into a rifle, irrespective of what other accessories might be used such as scopes or grips.
Thank you for your kind consideration.
Your Name
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:02 pm to Pepperidge
Don’t just copy and paste this. Learn a little about this from other sources, reword it in you own words, and add any comments you have that you may have that come to mind. Youtube has a number of videos with different points of view.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:35 pm to tommy2tone1999
Yes, please make your comment unique. Do not use vulgar language.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 8:50 am to Pat Sajak
They want your name and address. I am sure they will put this in their registry if you comment on it and be at your house first to kick your door in and arrest you.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:54 am to StonewallJack
quote:
They want your name and address. I am sure they will put this in their registry if you comment on it and be at your house first to kick your door in and arrest you.
That’s a nonsense reason to not make a comment and/or refuse to let your voice be heard during the notice and comment process of rule making.
You should be ashamed.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 11:36 am to DownSouthJukin
Get em while you can
Posted on 6/11/21 at 12:26 pm to Pat Sajak
They will absolutely disregard boiler plate comments as easily as they will cursing
Posted on 6/11/21 at 7:48 pm to Pat Sajak
They will come for you!!!
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:27 pm to StonewallJack
quote:
They will come for you!!!
If this rule goes through, and you bought an AR pistol with a stabilizing brace, they will come for you too. All they need to do is look at the customer lists of the sellers. Grow a pair and stand up for your rights now before this rule gets adopted.
quote:
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Benjamin Franklin
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:39 pm to tommy2tone1999
The comment period is about to close. Any suggestions on how to write up a useful and respectable comment, not that it will matter in the end.
Actually the comment period ending tomorrow is for 80% lowers, which is another one I want to comment on
Actually the comment period ending tomorrow is for 80% lowers, which is another one I want to comment on
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 3:17 pm to Hurricane Mike
finally commented on the proposed rule
quote:
I am a law abiding citizen of this great country and despise this proposed rule. The continued erosion of our rights are very concerning to me as an individual. I truly feel like people in the United States government do not care one bit about the common person in this country. Especially government officials that are appointed to their position. At least the elected officials have to answer to the voters every few years.
The announcement of this rule change states that the rule is meant to "help address the continuing epidemic of gun violence affecting communities across the country". I would love to know how this rule change will do anything to "address the continuing epidemic of gun violence"? I expect this question is unanswerable because this rule will do nothing to "address the continuing epidemic of gun violence".
Everyone knows the playbook of the anti-rights individuals in the government. They can't get anything passed in the Legislature so they are now bypassing the Legislature by making this rule change. If this rule change were to pass as it stated about it will have zero impact on the "address the continuing epidemic of gun violence". So years down the road the narrative will be that the rule didn't go far enough and it needs to be taken further.
I am strongly against this rule change and advise that it not be adopted.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 4:59 pm to civiltiger07
quote:
finally commented on the proposed rule
Glad to hear it...some f'n commie down voted you.
sent my comments long ago.
So many freedom lovin gun totin guys on here and so few want to get involved,
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:09 pm to Pepperidge
quote:
So many freedom lovin gun totin guys on here and so few want to get involved,
Long been a problem, including being knowledgeable on laws and the current tactics used by gun-control groups. I've seen a comment here that gun-control advocates weren't active but more than 30 gun-control bills have been filed at the Federal level, they are pushing bills at the state level, and filing lawsuits against major gun manufacturers. Not a time to be complacent.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 2:09 pm to Clames
deadline is tomorrow right? 9/8/2021?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 2:22 pm to finchmeister08
Yes - I commented too!! They can take our lives, but they will never take our FREEDOM!! 
Posted on 9/7/21 at 3:44 pm to StonewallJack
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:53 pm to DownSouthJukin
If bump stock bans were unconstitutional, then this is too. The ATF should be disbanded.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:14 pm to Landmass
quote:
The ATF should be disbanded.
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a drive through convenience store not a govt agency
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:42 am to DownSouthJukin
A little rambling but at least I tried.
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I do not understand why proposals such as this is still being considered. They do NOTHING to combat the so called "Gun Violence" in America. Truth is, we do not have a "Gun Violence" problem we have a people problem in America. Some among us do not care about their fellow citizens and NO laws such as this will change that.
The Justice department needs to target the problem areas but that would require an admission that there are certain areas of America are prone to "Violence". This is not politically correct and I fear this will never happen. In order to improve you have to first admit there is a problem. This is why things will never change. The government will still try and tell the populous that they are doing what they can when the truth is they do NOTHING!!!!! I do not know how the people who accept a pay check can live with the knowledge that by ignoring the problem they are part of the problem not part of the solution. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
I have little doubt this will pass. It will make some among us think things are getting done. It is truly a shame that the rights of law abiding citizens are being diluted for no reason except to try and gain political points.
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I do not understand why proposals such as this is still being considered. They do NOTHING to combat the so called "Gun Violence" in America. Truth is, we do not have a "Gun Violence" problem we have a people problem in America. Some among us do not care about their fellow citizens and NO laws such as this will change that.
The Justice department needs to target the problem areas but that would require an admission that there are certain areas of America are prone to "Violence". This is not politically correct and I fear this will never happen. In order to improve you have to first admit there is a problem. This is why things will never change. The government will still try and tell the populous that they are doing what they can when the truth is they do NOTHING!!!!! I do not know how the people who accept a pay check can live with the knowledge that by ignoring the problem they are part of the problem not part of the solution. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
I have little doubt this will pass. It will make some among us think things are getting done. It is truly a shame that the rights of law abiding citizens are being diluted for no reason except to try and gain political points.
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