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Suing China and/or WHO for economic damages re:Hawley bill/coronavirus
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:33 am
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:33 am
It looks more and more likely that patient-0 was staff at a biolab in wuhan, china...and COVID-19 as we know it is the result of negligence at both that biolab and from China's leadership in allowing it to spread.
//why were they even handing highly contagious virii with no cure/vaccine in a lab with staff that does not appear to be set up/trained for that (biosafety level 4)
//why would they block domestic travel from Wuhan but continue to allowing international flights to leave there?
as far as my business..
We were humming..after ~30-40% annual growth the past 4 years...we were up over 200% the past 2 quarters(vs previous year).
i had a staff of all-star...but had to fire everyone.
all that momentum and goodwill from all those years.. gone instantly.
I checked for Texas and didn't see any current class action suits.
Curious if any of you knckleheads would(or are considering) utilizing our legal system to recover damages from this pandemic?
I've never utilized the legal system in my life...but i'm a little pissed out this thing even came to be....and double pissed off on what it did to my practice.
///i work in healthcare..primarily "elective"/cosmetic procedures. my undergrad was molecular bio (but havent touched a pipette in 20+ years)
//why were they even handing highly contagious virii with no cure/vaccine in a lab with staff that does not appear to be set up/trained for that (biosafety level 4)
//why would they block domestic travel from Wuhan but continue to allowing international flights to leave there?
as far as my business..
We were humming..after ~30-40% annual growth the past 4 years...we were up over 200% the past 2 quarters(vs previous year).
i had a staff of all-star...but had to fire everyone.
all that momentum and goodwill from all those years.. gone instantly.
I checked for Texas and didn't see any current class action suits.
Curious if any of you knckleheads would(or are considering) utilizing our legal system to recover damages from this pandemic?
I've never utilized the legal system in my life...but i'm a little pissed out this thing even came to be....and double pissed off on what it did to my practice.
///i work in healthcare..primarily "elective"/cosmetic procedures. my undergrad was molecular bio (but havent touched a pipette in 20+ years)
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Posted on 4/16/20 at 7:34 am to mrgreenpants
Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act is difficult to get around. The US could declare China a sponsor of terror and consider this a terrorist act, which is how 9/11 victims brought suits, but that is unlikely.
If you think a couple of weeks of being shutdown while the government is paying your payroll and expenses to sit home is bad then you would really love what World War III with China would do to your business. If we started collecting trillions of dollars from them in our court tort systems and seizing their US assets to pay on the judgments that’s what it would likely come to.
If you think a couple of weeks of being shutdown while the government is paying your payroll and expenses to sit home is bad then you would really love what World War III with China would do to your business. If we started collecting trillions of dollars from them in our court tort systems and seizing their US assets to pay on the judgments that’s what it would likely come to.
This post was edited on 4/16/20 at 7:35 am
Posted on 4/16/20 at 7:47 am to go ta hell ole miss
You can always sue a foreign nation or world organization. But if you win your going to have an almost possible time actually collecting anything.
If you want to read about the situation, check out the law suits filed from the Iran hostage crisis back in the day.
If you want to read about the situation, check out the law suits filed from the Iran hostage crisis back in the day.
This post was edited on 4/16/20 at 7:54 am
Posted on 4/16/20 at 7:50 am to mrgreenpants
Not sure if serious gif.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 7:51 am to mrgreenpants
Only real way to get back at them is tariff the hell out of them. Either the tariff revenue pays the damages or the jobs come home and the taxes from that pay the damages.
Can't hit them directly.
Can't hit them directly.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 7:53 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:tell me more about this tariff revenue.
tariff revenue pays the damages
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:07 am to go ta hell ole miss
well.
unfortunately, we have no payroll.. they were all fired. gratefully, we have indefinite deferment with our landlords. so we have can afford to sit playing skyrim VR around during this shutdown..
and thanks to PPP funds we can bring the gang back...eventually.
but will the demand be there??
..will i need to fire everyone again after june 30?
but i dont believe anyone takes the risks of business just to "exist".
IF this economic damage was intentionally caused by China.. I'm not sure how this would *not* be considered an act of war.
...is it better to wait for China to continue growing? ..maybe match the USA militarily?
if a confrontation between USA and China must happen eventually.. maybe now is the time.
frankly, China at the very should be isolated just like every other commie totalitarian that every existed...
...and on the personal level i'd be 1st in line any class action suit (if it were plausible)
unfortunately, we have no payroll.. they were all fired. gratefully, we have indefinite deferment with our landlords. so we have can afford to sit playing skyrim VR around during this shutdown..
and thanks to PPP funds we can bring the gang back...eventually.
but will the demand be there??
..will i need to fire everyone again after june 30?
but i dont believe anyone takes the risks of business just to "exist".
IF this economic damage was intentionally caused by China.. I'm not sure how this would *not* be considered an act of war.
...is it better to wait for China to continue growing? ..maybe match the USA militarily?
if a confrontation between USA and China must happen eventually.. maybe now is the time.
frankly, China at the very should be isolated just like every other commie totalitarian that every existed...
...and on the personal level i'd be 1st in line any class action suit (if it were plausible)
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:12 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
Either the tariff revenue pays the damages
repeating this falsehood will never ever make it true
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:57 am to cgrand
ok..
so the key to suing china....
is to not go after the chinese government(which as mentioned is protected sovereign immunity) but to go after the chinese communist party (which is not protected)
my original post was actually a serious question.
and i would urge folks to contact their local AG and/or an ambitious local attorney to get things moving.
Missouri 1st state to sue China, CCP for economic damages from coronavirus
https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2020/04/21/missouri-attorney-general-schmitt-files-lawsuit-against-chinese-government
so the key to suing china....
is to not go after the chinese government(which as mentioned is protected sovereign immunity) but to go after the chinese communist party (which is not protected)
my original post was actually a serious question.
and i would urge folks to contact their local AG and/or an ambitious local attorney to get things moving.
Missouri 1st state to sue China, CCP for economic damages from coronavirus
quote:
Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt (R) filed a civil lawsuit in a federal court against several entities within China, including the Chinese government, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), National Health Commission, Ministry of Emergency Management, Ministry of Civil Affairs, Hubei Government, Wuhan City Government, Wuhan Institute of Virology, and Chinese Academy of Sciences.
The suit charges Chinese authorities with committing "an appalling campaign of deceit, concealment, misfeasance, and inaction," which led to the catastrophic pandemic.
https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2020/04/21/missouri-attorney-general-schmitt-files-lawsuit-against-chinese-government
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 8:05 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 12:43 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:So you’re essentially suing American importers, the downstream businesses, and the consumers.
Either the tariff revenue pays the damages
Posted on 4/25/20 at 12:44 pm to mrgreenpants
quote:Well this seems even more pointless.
but to go after the chinese communist party (which is not protected)
I think you need to give up any hope for a lawsuit. In fact, I actually don’t think a lawsuit against China has any merit in the first place, and it seems unhealthy.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:27 pm to mrgreenpants
Financially, there's literally no upside here man.
If that's your driver, the don't bother.
If that's your driver, the don't bother.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:23 pm to mrgreenpants
Friend,
Cosmetic procedures are not health care. Call it what it is: vanity care.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
Cosmetic procedures are not health care. Call it what it is: vanity care.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
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