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Did compliance department folks leak stuff to Yahoo?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:37 pm
Seems like they are actively working against a winning environment here to make themselves feel better
Probably got picked last for dodgeball growing up or had jocks pick on them in high school.
Probably got picked last for dodgeball growing up or had jocks pick on them in high school.
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:47 pm to Cosmo
Miriam definitely comes across as the type who’d be all about bugging coaches offices.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:55 pm to Cosmo
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Seems like they are actively working against a winning environment here to make themselves feel better
Funny.....
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:19 pm to Cosmo
Good God, you folks can make up some silly shite.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:21 pm to JohnnyU
John, you have an LSU admin that is extremely unpopular and extreme inept at PR
They 100% leaked any and all info that paints Wade in a bad light
They 100% leaked any and all info that paints Wade in a bad light
Posted on 3/18/19 at 8:15 pm to Cosmo
I don't see how.
The tape/transcript in question (current trial, referring to Smart, Wade talking to Dawkins) was not admitted into evidence and unlike in the first trial was not read publicly into the record.
So that means the FBI/DOJ had access to it (of course, it's their warrant), the Judge obviously had access and had to hear/read it to rule it inadmissible and the defense team during discovery and motions.
So either the judge, prosecutorial team, or defense team had to be the source of the leak which occurred soon after being ruled inadmissible (which is why leaked).
The judge surely didn't do it. The prosecution had it suppressed, so they didn't do it. Only leaves the defense team.
However, it's plainly obvious that LSU admin is feeding... let's call it "slanted"... info to the press in the aftermath. It is possible that Compliance leaked, in the aftermath, info of what went down at LSU without the rest of the admin knowing ahead of time... but that's way different than leaking source info to Yahoo.
The tape/transcript in question (current trial, referring to Smart, Wade talking to Dawkins) was not admitted into evidence and unlike in the first trial was not read publicly into the record.
So that means the FBI/DOJ had access to it (of course, it's their warrant), the Judge obviously had access and had to hear/read it to rule it inadmissible and the defense team during discovery and motions.
So either the judge, prosecutorial team, or defense team had to be the source of the leak which occurred soon after being ruled inadmissible (which is why leaked).
The judge surely didn't do it. The prosecution had it suppressed, so they didn't do it. Only leaves the defense team.
However, it's plainly obvious that LSU admin is feeding... let's call it "slanted"... info to the press in the aftermath. It is possible that Compliance leaked, in the aftermath, info of what went down at LSU without the rest of the admin knowing ahead of time... but that's way different than leaking source info to Yahoo.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 8:18 pm to I20goon
I get that this thread is a bit tongue and cheek, but bet the house on rantards running with this anf that our compliance department leaked shite to Yahoo will be a commonly cited reason we must fire them.
The compliance department doesn't speak to the media lol
The compliance department doesn't speak to the media lol
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 3/18/19 at 8:22 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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The compliance department doesn't speak to the media lol
They’ve got the NCAA on speed-dial tho
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:03 pm to Klingler7
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Iwhi
Don't think I would have told that.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:13 pm to I20goon
Ok I am not nearly as knowledgeable on this trial as you but my questions, may seem dumb but i am just curious...
#1, correct or incorrect, is Wade being subpoenaed by Dawkins defense team to testify on the matter or who subpoenaed him?
#2, if Wade doesn't incriminate himself and there is no direct evidence of "pay for play" and Im not talking about what he did say on the wiretaps but instead; a papertrail OR him directly saying on another wiretap transcript something that leaves out anything for interpretation and makes statements that are "cut and dry" and indefensible OR have a player, current or former go on record admitting they received cash or something from Wade or indirectly from Wade to play for him?
#3, the information that i have heard or read, to me seems to actually give the feeling that Wade will be subpoenaed next month, likely not be found of any wrongdoing (regardless of what he did say on the wiretaps) thus ending his run in with the legal system and then putting the league and/or the institution with the burden of proof. If they are then unable to prove Wade actually paid a player or players or did voilate rules in regards of recruiting by the NCAA or LSU then there's actually a solid chance Wade will be exonerated and there will not be any consequences. As a result, LSU will have a bigger PR problem and egg in the face over their knee jerk reaction to a media leak. Do you see this as a possibility of actually playing out? Obviously I'm no lawyer nor do i know each and every NCAA violation and penalties but it does seem to me that since Wade is not the one on trial, except by the court of public opinion he may just slide out of trouble, atleast legally. He could come out of this without losing his job, NCAA penalties, or any negative consequences other than defamation of character by Yahoo and LSU for their handling of this disaster. Is this a possibility in your opinion?
#1, correct or incorrect, is Wade being subpoenaed by Dawkins defense team to testify on the matter or who subpoenaed him?
#2, if Wade doesn't incriminate himself and there is no direct evidence of "pay for play" and Im not talking about what he did say on the wiretaps but instead; a papertrail OR him directly saying on another wiretap transcript something that leaves out anything for interpretation and makes statements that are "cut and dry" and indefensible OR have a player, current or former go on record admitting they received cash or something from Wade or indirectly from Wade to play for him?
#3, the information that i have heard or read, to me seems to actually give the feeling that Wade will be subpoenaed next month, likely not be found of any wrongdoing (regardless of what he did say on the wiretaps) thus ending his run in with the legal system and then putting the league and/or the institution with the burden of proof. If they are then unable to prove Wade actually paid a player or players or did voilate rules in regards of recruiting by the NCAA or LSU then there's actually a solid chance Wade will be exonerated and there will not be any consequences. As a result, LSU will have a bigger PR problem and egg in the face over their knee jerk reaction to a media leak. Do you see this as a possibility of actually playing out? Obviously I'm no lawyer nor do i know each and every NCAA violation and penalties but it does seem to me that since Wade is not the one on trial, except by the court of public opinion he may just slide out of trouble, atleast legally. He could come out of this without losing his job, NCAA penalties, or any negative consequences other than defamation of character by Yahoo and LSU for their handling of this disaster. Is this a possibility in your opinion?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:37 pm to JPLSU1981
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They’ve got the NCAA on speed-dial tho
Seems to me that a compliance department should be advising the athletic staffs on just how far they can push the rules short of breaking them, rather than serving as the NCAA’s in-house narcs.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:49 pm to Godfather1
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Seems to me that a compliance department should be advising the athletic staffs on just how far they can push the rules short of breaking them, rather than serving as the NCAA’s in-house narcs.
If I were still coaching I would want them to keep me out of compliance “jams” but I think you’re at least part of the way correct. It’s a subtle but important difference. I would hope my compliance folks would take a slightly adversarial stance with the NCAA for two reasons. One, to prevent them from rolling us over at their leisure. Two, to ensure fair treatment of my kids and coaches. That’s the same stance I would see any industrial concern taking with any regulator.
NCAA has become a great big “gotcha organization” it seems.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:57 pm to Hayden Fox
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If I were still coaching I would want them to keep me out of compliance “jams” but I think you’re at least part of the way correct. It’s a subtle but important difference. I would hope my compliance folks would take a slightly adversarial stance with the NCAA for two reasons. One, to prevent them from rolling us over at their leisure. Two, to ensure fair treatment of my kids and coaches. That’s the same stance I would see any industrial concern taking with any regulator.
Yeah, I probably could’ve worded that better.
BTW, I think you did a great job at Minnesota State. My best to Dauber.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:59 pm to Godfather1
!Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:39 am to EyeOfTheTiger225
quote:I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV and did not sleep in a Holiday Inn last night. But curiosity has gotten the best of me and in particular I've been very curious about what evidence has been presented, in what form, and when. I also have been conversing with my lawyer about this (on a personal, not professional, level). He's an Arkansas fan/grad and loves all things anti-LSU. Other than that, I have first-hand experience in dealing with the Feds (as a witness).
Ok I am not nearly as knowledgeable on this trial as you but my questions, may seem dumb but i am just curious...
quote:To the best of our knowledge (public), he is on the defenses witness list and has not been subpoenaed at this time. With the one (best we know) relevant wiretap tape to this case having been suppressed he might not be put on the stand and/or receive a subpoena. He most assuredly received notice to make himself available IF the court wants testimony and has likely been deposed. That's different than a full blown get-on-the-stand subpoena; however any depositions were probably under oath to protect both sides against lying.
#1, correct or incorrect, is Wade being subpoenaed by Dawkins defense team to testify on the matter or who subpoenaed him?
That deposition (or affidavits, or interviews) right there is probably Wade's biggest legal jeopardy (at this time). He was likely deposed under oath, multiple times, and anything he might say in meetings that contradict the deposition could be lying to law enforcement or perjury or similar. Lots of lawyers involved, they are experts at parsing words. Mistakes are lies if they want them to be. So are minor discrepancies. Once you've talked under oath, you are done talking for a while. And that's just how it works.
quote:we have no idea if any of that is out there. If it is out there we have no idea who all has knowledge of it. Based on the defense's position (the schools are part of the fraud), if they have it will leak or would have already been leaked. If Wade's lawyers know it is out there and only DOJ has it, they are likely telling him to not say shite and piss off the DOJ lawyers so it doesn't leak from their side and make things worse for him (the DOJ wants the schools to be the "victim"). LSU's actions in regards to Smart indicate they don't have anything else, but that's far from us knowing; only an indicator. Compliance is fishing and, as par for the course, assume there is something out there and playing uber-safe (or uber-aggressive depending on your POV). The DOJ doesn't really give a shite as long as it doesn't interfere with their case. So there's the short list of motivations right there.
#2, if Wade doesn't incriminate himself and there is no direct evidence of "pay for play" and Im not talking about what he did say on the wiretaps but instead; a papertrail OR him directly saying on another wiretap transcript something that leaves out anything for interpretation and makes statements that are "cut and dry" and indefensible OR have a player, current or former go on record admitting they received cash or something from Wade or indirectly from Wade to play for him?
quote:yes, I see this as where it is going. The defense wants to implicate as many schools as possible vis-a-vis the coaches. The DOJ wants this to be about money, Adidas, and Adidas' bagmen to show that the fraud was committed ON the schools. We, LSU, should be "cooperating" with the DOJ to make their case. Anything that helps the NCAA helps the defense just by quirk of strategy. The DOJ will win in the end. I have my doubts (see #1) that Wade will be testifying. It is possible however. But even if on the stand, with that wiretap suppressed, the DOJ will object to any questions posed that refer to it. And their cross examination will lean heavily towards Dawkins and those like him who are part of this fraud. Crude example: instead of DOJ asking Wade "did you ever give money for a recruit" they would ask "did Dawkins ever solicit money for a recruit".
#3, the information that i have heard or read, to me seems to actually give the feeling that Wade will be subpoenaed next month, likely not be found of any wrongdoing (regardless of what he did say on the wiretaps) thus ending his run in with the legal system and then putting the league and/or the institution with the burden of proof. If they are then unable to prove Wade actually paid a player or players or did voilate rules in regards of recruiting by the NCAA or LSU then there's actually a solid chance Wade will be exonerated and there will not be any consequences. As a result, LSU will have a bigger PR problem and egg in the face over their knee jerk reaction to a media leak. Do you see this as a possibility of actually playing out?
As far as the court case goes there are several things that line up in Wade's (thus LSU's) favor to prevent any wrongdoing by the coaches (thus schools) from coming to light. And our admin's/compliance's actions are pissing away that advantage instead of waiting to see if the DOJ is successful in their strategy. And it is the SDNY, they WILL be successful.
Remember, NCAA has several reasons why it is in their best interest to implicate the schools too:
1. It is what they do
2. If it is the schools, it isn't 3rd party fraudsters permeating through the system
3. If there's not far reaching fraud and it is the schools committing violations, no one in NCAA is party to fraud
4. Catching schools instead of these multiple fraud helps dispel "negligence" on NCAA's part.
5. NCAA wants to appear to be reacting to DOJ's findings, while doing the opposite, to look like the "white knight" in all of this. The only way to do that is to while the DOJ is busting everybody but the schools, they are busting only the schools.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 7:06 am
Posted on 3/19/19 at 1:40 pm to I20goon
That certainly clears the air some for me and the multiple angles by each party in this complicated matter. You have a much better understanding on what's exactly going on here as its not a simple case and has multiple layers and different elements and possibilities at play. I guess in my gut i do feel like there was something going on with Wade but could i prove it? Probably not if i had the evidence that blew the top off of his season, our Cinderella season this year. I think Alleva and Alexander reacted to, of all things the damn media! As if the media, any outlet has shown to play fair, be credible, or be unbiased. But still I know for a fact that what's been going on in college recruiting in the bigger sports is an ugly game and many will bend and some will break the rules to get players to build a championship. This does not mean i am condoning any illegal or unfair advantages by LSU, if found guilty, or any university to procure players by paying them or their families. Two wrongs don't make a right and more get away with it than get caught. I hate for this black cloud to be dominating headlines instead of celebrating a great season and great story of a program at the cellar of the league to winning the league in a few short years and derailing a team that has proven to be one of the best in the college hoops but going forward i just know if the NCAA can they will do everything possible to make an example out of LSU and Will Wade when this is all final. I like to hope that Wade and any players involved will be back on the court for next season and another year of growth and development with so much young talent. But with that said i want to win but not if we have to cheat to do it. Not that we did but if it is proven in time that Wade is guilty of what the entire basketball world is saying he is then i would agree with consequences resulting. I just wanted it handled better by our institution and by suspending Wade when they did and the reason shows the lack of support, to me by the administration. I think letting Wade finish this season, let it play out in federal court and then if the NCAA chooses to conduct it's own investigation (which I'm sure they will) or an internal investigation finds Wade or Basketball operations guilty of any wrongdoings and can prove it then at that time they should hand down the consequences but by jumping up in result of the latest media leak they seemed to deviate from what they were doing in the first place by letting this all play out. To me they made a huge mistake by suspending Wade at the time they did and harmed LSU and their own integrity as well as sending a bad message that almost shows the world that they have already deemed there was wrongdoing by Wade and hurt his chances of getting a fair shake. Its just a huge mess now that could have easily been avoided had they waited until the season was over and court was concluded, and any following investigations are concluded. The worst part to it all is if Wade is found to be guilty of voilations he will be fired, LSU will be penalized by the NCAA and Wade will be coaching at a rival school in the near future. I couldn't have been the only guy to notice Bruce Pear and Auburns dismantling of his former team twice in the the last couple of weeks including the SEC tournament championship. These schools preach integrity but what really takes precedence is winning! I just hate this whole thing and see little chance to get through this with all key players and coaches and school unimpacted by more than the current black eye. Maybe the players will respond to adversity and take us to the promised land then this just blows over and we come back better, stronger, and unified as a team. I think it's a stretch and wishful thinking by me and thinking emotionally rather than rationally in this case.
* i wonder how your Arkansas buddy feels about his team losing their best player to the draft and skipping the NIT? I'd bet he is hoping for an upset in the first round by Yale and that is possible to think it could happen! That team's strengths play to exploit our weaknesses. It will be much closer than the experts say, i think. It'll be either an LSU bleauxout or a nailbiter but no in between. We will know in a couple of days. Thanks for that response and i am curious what percentage you give the Tigers hoops of having Wade return next season with all of this talent and no probation or any sanctions once this is over? Would you guess 50% or greater or less? Just curious if you had to take your best, educated guess knowing what you know about the case and the history of similar occurrences.
I know this one is very complex and unique, and very hard to compare it to another but i just want to know how good or bad you feel about LSU's chances of dodging a major disaster...
My gut says they'll find something (the NCAA) and will give LSU near maximum consequences, possibly the basketball version of the "death penalty" by vacating all wins this season including the SEC regular season crown, possibly last season, reduced scholarships for up to 10 years, banned from the post season including SEC tournament for atleast 5 years, put very strict guidelines on recruiting and player/coach contact, nust short of making our entire coaching staff wear a body camera and having all phone calls screened or tapped, even make us play with 4 against 5 or start games with 2 fouls per player or spotting each team with 20 points, take our freethrows from the three point line, cut our shot clock in half, make those refs from Florida game in SEC tournament be our designated officials, and require all players to wear those hideous shorts like JaVonte Smart! Lol i had to try to make some fun out of all of this horrible situation! But in honesty if we do get hammered i expect the highly touted guys to leave, transfer to other schools, most within the SEC! How bad would it feel to see Waters dishing dimes and alley oops to Naz Reid, Emmitt Williams, and Marlon Taylor or JaVonte Smart winning SEC player of the year as starting point guard for Arkansas? And 3 of our current guys on all SEC first or second team for years to come? Ouch!
Regardless most of our current players have a very bright future in basketball with a few that will play at the next level and possibly be stars in the NBA, this core group could have been or could be what Tennessee was supposed to be this year or even better in 2 years time! Painful to think about the "what if?" That's the worst part, just the uncertainty looming ahead.
A penny for your thoughts or predictions of what you think is most likely to happen once it's all decided and concluded and where this LSU team and coaches will be and possible consequences if any at all?? (I better not say that, *no pennies will be paid for your thoughts, just joking FEDS) in enough trouble as is about alleged money for talent. Lol
* i wonder how your Arkansas buddy feels about his team losing their best player to the draft and skipping the NIT? I'd bet he is hoping for an upset in the first round by Yale and that is possible to think it could happen! That team's strengths play to exploit our weaknesses. It will be much closer than the experts say, i think. It'll be either an LSU bleauxout or a nailbiter but no in between. We will know in a couple of days. Thanks for that response and i am curious what percentage you give the Tigers hoops of having Wade return next season with all of this talent and no probation or any sanctions once this is over? Would you guess 50% or greater or less? Just curious if you had to take your best, educated guess knowing what you know about the case and the history of similar occurrences.
I know this one is very complex and unique, and very hard to compare it to another but i just want to know how good or bad you feel about LSU's chances of dodging a major disaster...
My gut says they'll find something (the NCAA) and will give LSU near maximum consequences, possibly the basketball version of the "death penalty" by vacating all wins this season including the SEC regular season crown, possibly last season, reduced scholarships for up to 10 years, banned from the post season including SEC tournament for atleast 5 years, put very strict guidelines on recruiting and player/coach contact, nust short of making our entire coaching staff wear a body camera and having all phone calls screened or tapped, even make us play with 4 against 5 or start games with 2 fouls per player or spotting each team with 20 points, take our freethrows from the three point line, cut our shot clock in half, make those refs from Florida game in SEC tournament be our designated officials, and require all players to wear those hideous shorts like JaVonte Smart! Lol i had to try to make some fun out of all of this horrible situation! But in honesty if we do get hammered i expect the highly touted guys to leave, transfer to other schools, most within the SEC! How bad would it feel to see Waters dishing dimes and alley oops to Naz Reid, Emmitt Williams, and Marlon Taylor or JaVonte Smart winning SEC player of the year as starting point guard for Arkansas? And 3 of our current guys on all SEC first or second team for years to come? Ouch!
Regardless most of our current players have a very bright future in basketball with a few that will play at the next level and possibly be stars in the NBA, this core group could have been or could be what Tennessee was supposed to be this year or even better in 2 years time! Painful to think about the "what if?" That's the worst part, just the uncertainty looming ahead.
A penny for your thoughts or predictions of what you think is most likely to happen once it's all decided and concluded and where this LSU team and coaches will be and possible consequences if any at all?? (I better not say that, *no pennies will be paid for your thoughts, just joking FEDS) in enough trouble as is about alleged money for talent. Lol
Posted on 3/20/19 at 6:09 am to EyeOfTheTiger225
quote:My best guess... no.
Just curious if you had to take your best, educated guess knowing what you know about the case and the history of similar occurrences.
I know this one is very complex and unique, and very hard to compare it to another but i just want to know how good or bad you feel about LSU's chances of dodging a major disaster...
My gut says they'll find something (the NCAA) and will give LSU near maximum consequences, possibly the basketball version of the "death penalty"
Indications, SO FAR, is that LSU and the NCAA are reacting to media and that the OLOL embezzlement (audit findings) are not athletic related. Doesn't mean the OLOL wasn't funneling for athletics; but it means it was hid well under some very good expenditures. That 810k just looks regular old embezzlement for personal enrichment by Funes.
So, this being 95% about OPTICS, on all sides... including Wade AND the NCAA, there will be some penalties. No one walks away from the now-public mess the defense team via yahoo created and everybody else compounded unscathed.
But every player in this fiasco now is setup or has set themselves up to be a loser. At some point everybody will want to fold and hope to back out. To do that, everybody has to avoid being the "big loser", just a bunch of little losers. We'll lose scholarships, the SEC will have their own penalties. Maybe a tournament ban. NCAA will get their interviews. I hope LSU files to have their court transcripts released to them after the FBI investigates the NCAA. It would be nice to flip the script.
But before we get there, the defense team will leak more to a media, yahoo and others (sure to be others, ESPN) who are willing to take everything they say at face value, maybe wordsmith it a little (or a lot) to get more access from their "source". This will be in limbo into May. I'm assuming the prosecution will present their case first starting April 22nd. The defense will leak what they have, barring a judges orders, if they have it starting then going through the defenses presentation.
What I'm waiting on, that changes things for us- LSU and its fans - is for the prosecution to call NCAA officials to the stand for their case. IF that happens, it is a hope not a guess on my part, I want LSU to call a meeting and insist reps from those particular official's departments attend.
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