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re: Who was Jerry closer to friendship wise? George or Elaine?
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:17 am to Geekboy
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:17 am to Geekboy
I think that if you looked in on TV Jerry twenty years later, you'd find him still close with George but not as close with Elaine. A wife might put some distance between Jerry and his old girlfriend. Not so much with George.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:25 am to Dire Wolf
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Kramer was a socially awkward hipster
nah
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who idolized Jerry.
yes, clearly.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:38 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I think that if you looked in on TV Jerry twenty years later, you'd find him still close with George but not as close with Elaine. A wife might put some distance between Jerry and his old girlfriend. Not so much with George.
This exactly. Very well put.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:50 am to UncleBlazer
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The idea that the Seinfeld characters were evil human beings is massively overblown.
Yeah, this has always bugged me. They did plenty of stuff to benefit other people, but the final episode made them look worse. The part that bugged me the most was Babu calling Jerry bad for trying to help him. His business was tanking, and Jerry at least encouraged him to try something. But off the top of my head, they did a lot for other people
1. Jerry offering to help Babu
2. Jerry paying for hair club for men for the guy faking cancer.
3. Kramer doing the AIDS walk
4. Kramer giving the armoire to Elaine
5. Kramer basically being friends with everyone. In fact, it is a waste to list Kramer stuff. He was always doing good things.
6. Jerry helping the marathon runner
There are plenty more to name.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:56 am to Cooter Davenport
George is clearly #1.
However I'm going to make a case for Kramer as Jerry's next closest friend. Here's why...
1. The Backwards episode: at the end, it shows Jerry first moving into the apartment and Kramer was there. So they've been neighbors for a long long time. It's only natural that they be friends.
2. Kramer goes to LA: if Kramer weren't so close to Jerry, why would Jerry feel so guilty over taking back his keys?
3. The Mom & Pop: kramer's nosebleed and Jerry taking care of him on the bus on the way to Parsippany.
4. The Kramanium: Newman doesn't want Jerry at his NYE party. It tears Kramer up inside and keeps him awake at night. He even sacrifices Newman's party to be with Jerry for the new millennium. He even uses Elaine as a reason to get Jerry to the party.
5. The New Area Code: Kramer gets lost downtown and Jerry drops everything to go get him.
I think that their relationship is very unconventional but there's no denying that they care about eachother. In an almost brotherly way.
However I'm going to make a case for Kramer as Jerry's next closest friend. Here's why...
1. The Backwards episode: at the end, it shows Jerry first moving into the apartment and Kramer was there. So they've been neighbors for a long long time. It's only natural that they be friends.
2. Kramer goes to LA: if Kramer weren't so close to Jerry, why would Jerry feel so guilty over taking back his keys?
3. The Mom & Pop: kramer's nosebleed and Jerry taking care of him on the bus on the way to Parsippany.
4. The Kramanium: Newman doesn't want Jerry at his NYE party. It tears Kramer up inside and keeps him awake at night. He even sacrifices Newman's party to be with Jerry for the new millennium. He even uses Elaine as a reason to get Jerry to the party.
5. The New Area Code: Kramer gets lost downtown and Jerry drops everything to go get him.
I think that their relationship is very unconventional but there's no denying that they care about eachother. In an almost brotherly way.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:57 am to TXGunslinger10
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I think that their relationship is very unconventional but there's no denying that they care about eachother. In an almost brotherly way.
I think it's clear that Jerry is Kramer's best friend. Just not vice versa.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:28 pm to WG_Dawg
The characters were definitely not evil. They were people who were generally a bit on the selfish side but most of them tried to be good when they could. This is how most of us are IRL. Kramer was probably the furthest on the "nice" side and George was furthest on the "selfhish" side, but none were evil.
And I totally agree the thing w/ Babu was not Jerry's fault. He made a suggestion to the guy.
The show stands up so well. One of the few that I can still watch 90% of the episodes and enjoy.
And I totally agree the thing w/ Babu was not Jerry's fault. He made a suggestion to the guy.
The show stands up so well. One of the few that I can still watch 90% of the episodes and enjoy.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:44 pm to GumBro Jackson
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The characters were definitely not evil. They were people who were generally a bit on the selfish side but most of them tried to be good when they could. This is how most of us are IRL. Kramer was probably the furthest on the "nice" side and George was furthest on the "selfhish" side, but none were evil.
In the very latter part of the series, it became a little meta in regards to all the "selfish and about nothing" stuff, but I agree overall.
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The show stands up so well. One of the few that I can still watch 90% of the episodes and enjoy.
You should check out the podcast Seincast. They are going through in meticulous detail of every episode. It's great.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 12:56 pm to TejasHorn
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Elaine tried to abandon the friendship more than once. Most notably with the bizarro friends.
But George wanted to go with her ("We've already got a George").
Anyway, George is obviously the correct answer. They grew up together; even went to college together.
But there is a line from an episode that always bothered me. The episode where George and Mike ("Man, that Michael Jordan is so phony!") fight over the same parking space in front of Jerry's apartment. They mention that they both know Jerry, and George says he knows him "probably a lot better" than Mike does. How could that have even been in question, since Jerry and George were best friends since high school?
Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:55 pm to Jcorye1
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He stuck his dick in Elaine.
He had sex with both of them...he only admitted it with Elaine. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 2:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
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You should check out the podcast Seincast. They are going through in meticulous detail of every episode. It's great.
Thanks for the rec. I'll check it out.
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