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re: If football goes the way of boxing due to rule changes, what sport gets big?
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:26 am to Moustache
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:26 am to Moustache
Unless and until we can entice the top talent in the world to play here in their prime instead of in England or in Europe, it will never truly become big here.
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:28 am to Sophandros
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41 is nearing 50?
Yes. We're in the final decade of that sample of a half century, and we've moved backwards in popularity since 1977 for the domestic league (though almost all other indica are up).
I think we're creating international soccer fans, which is cool, but doesn't help the MLS that much. I don't see the MLS becoming another EPL. Because of cable, we can watch high level of soccer pretty easily. And its kind of cool to do it on a Saturday morning.
Finally, I really like soccer. I used to play, I've been to an MLS Cup, and NCAA title game, an actual women's match, a World Cup qualifier, a Euro Cup match, and an EPL match. I think it's a great sport and I enjoy it immensely. But I have to say, I find American soccer fans downright impossible to tolerate. Just the most insecure, whining hipster douchebags on the planet. The problem is not that people haven't been exposed to soccer. I swear to you, it's not. Stop trying to sell soccer as sports vegetables (it's good for you!)
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:28 am to Sophandros
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Unless and until we can entice the top talent in the world to play here in their prime instead of in England or in Europe, it will never truly become big here.
Truth.
A world cup win will do wonders too.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:33 am to Moustache
The thing soccer has going against them right now is that it's very expensive to play at a high level, but that is in the process of changing. When I was growing up, you had to play select soccer in order to face any real competition. The MLS is in the process of building academies for their teams. As these academies grow, the teams will continue to improve until we have a league full of young, homegrown American talent everywhere.
The academies will be huge in big cities where super athletic kids will be offered an opportunity to get into these programs at a very young age. The one thing holding them back, is that they'd have to give up every other sport.
The academies will be huge in big cities where super athletic kids will be offered an opportunity to get into these programs at a very young age. The one thing holding them back, is that they'd have to give up every other sport.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:34 am to Baloo
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I don't see the MLS becoming another EPL
Neither do I, but with the youth movement and more homegrown talent that wants to make a living playing soccer here it will only get better.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:35 am to Moustache
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A world cup win will do wonders too.
That's setting the bar REALLY high. I simple good run like in 2002 will turn a lot of heads.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:37 am to Baloo
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I think we're creating international soccer fans, which is cool, but doesn't help the MLS that much. I don't see the MLS becoming another EPL. Because of cable, we can watch high level of soccer pretty easily. And its kind of cool to do it on a Saturday morning.
Finally, I really like soccer. I used to play, I've been to an MLS Cup, and NCAA title game, an actual women's match, a World Cup qualifier, a Euro Cup match, and an EPL match. I think it's a great sport and I enjoy it immensely. But I have to say, I find American soccer fans downright impossible to tolerate. Just the most insecure, whining hipster douchebags on the planet. The problem is not that people haven't been exposed to soccer. I swear to you, it's not. Stop trying to sell soccer as sports vegetables (it's good for you!)
I know you're just speaking to the thread in general and not just me because I happen to agree with you.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:38 am to etm512
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I simple good run like in 2002 will turn a lot of heads.
Still pisses me off. If they call that handball on Germany, the US goes to the semifinals. The semis!
I do think soccer will continue to enjoy high levels of youth participation because the sport is cheap to play, has simple rules, and is pretty fantastic exercise.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:45 am to Baloo
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Still pisses me off. If they call that handball on Germany, the US goes to the semifinals. The semis!
Yep. One can only imagine. I still relish in the fact that we knocked out Mexico though.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:48 am to Moustache
I hope I dont live long enough to turn on the TV and only be able to watch Soccer and MMA. 
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:48 am to Moustache
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3. SOCCER----Pros: most popular sport in world, fastest growing sport in US, popular with latinos like baseball, many different body types can play.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:54 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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Too late. MMA is already huge in this country....only going to get bigger
Disagree...I think we have seen/are seeing its peak. It will NEVER have consistent mainstream exposure. It will have good sized rabid followings but at the end of the day there are more and more fighters making following it more and more difficult and the masses don't want to see guys try and submit one another.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 11:58 am to Sophandros
Since we were kind of talking about the topic: Bessler, the MLS defender of the year, just choose to re-sign with Kansas City instead of taking an offer with QPR, an EPL team, and other foreign teams.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:15 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
quote:I wouldn't say it is "huge". It is up-and-coming, but nowhere near the popularity of the MLB, NBA, or NFL, or even college football in the United States.
Too late. MMA is already huge in this country....only going to get bigger
The highest rated UFC on FOX broadcast was the event that had the Heavyweight Championship. That event averaged 5.7 million viewers. A very good number, but for comparison, Notre Dame vs. USC was the highest rated college football game of the year, and it averaged 16 million viewers.
Big difference.
Steelers vs. Broncos this year drew 27.9 million viewers.
In fact, the top 25 most-watched NFL games this season have all been over 20 million viewers.
The UFC has a long, long way to go before it gets "huge".
Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:21 pm to hendersonshands
quote:The problem with soccer in the U.S. is that there are plenty of other more popular sports to play.
The thing soccer has going against them right now is that it's very expensive to play at a high level, but that is in the process of changing. When I was growing up, you had to play select soccer in order to face any real competition. The MLS is in the process of building academies for their teams. As these academies grow, the teams will continue to improve until we have a league full of young, homegrown American talent everywhere. The academies will be huge in big cities where super athletic kids will be offered an opportunity to get into these programs at a very young age. The one thing holding them back, is that they'd have to give up every other sport.
In almost every other country around the world, soccer is king. Therefore, there is already an interest in soccer as a sport. In order to improve, things like training centers have to be built in order to build talent. But the sport of soccer is already the most popular sport in those countries. It's just a matter of improving the talent by improving facilities, coaches, etc.
In the United States, you can build all of the academies and programs you want, but soccer still will not be getting the best talent out there when there are several other sports that are king.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:29 pm to PrimeTime Money
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In the United States, you can build all of the academies and programs you want, but soccer still will not be getting the best talent out there when there are several other sports that are king.
It does put us at a disadvantage from that aspect, but we just need to get to the point where we have 23-30 quality players at any time. Hockey isn't one of the 3 most popular sports in the US, but we can still put out a team today that can beat any country in the world.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 12:41 pm to PrimeTime Money
You have to consider that soccer isn't always in direct competition for players with major American sports and that our available resources for sports and our population far exceed 99.9% of the world.
With better training, our current talent pool, plus minor expansion through increased accessibility to the sport at a high level, is more than adequate, and is truly already adequate, to field a consistently competitive national team and stock a reasonably strong domestic league.
ETA: Not that I'd ever argue that soccer was poised to become a MAJOR player in American sports.
With better training, our current talent pool, plus minor expansion through increased accessibility to the sport at a high level, is more than adequate, and is truly already adequate, to field a consistently competitive national team and stock a reasonably strong domestic league.
ETA: Not that I'd ever argue that soccer was poised to become a MAJOR player in American sports.
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:17 pm to rugbyag
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Sophandos - 'Gades or Old White?
FOW.
nah, I'm just playin
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