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Has the leash become too short for college football coaches?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:11 pm
Or is that the bi product of being such big money business now?? Do other current day things like social media play a part? I’m sure there are hall of fame coaches that would not be there if their runway was as short as today’s coaches.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 12:13 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:12 pm to SA4LSU
Look at the salaries
If they don’t like it, take a pay cut
If they don’t like it, take a pay cut
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:17 pm to SA4LSU
I guess this is in regards to orgeron and Mullen?
Ed was fired for off the field stuff just as much for on the field (at least at the point he was announced as fired). You can’t be an embarrassment off the field AND let the program slide
As far as dan I can see an argument that it was “fast” but look how they finished last year and his performance this year.
Then take into account that this is in the state of Florida with a massively down FSU and Miami
These should be the golden years for UF but instead they are pretty much an afterthought nationally
Ed was fired for off the field stuff just as much for on the field (at least at the point he was announced as fired). You can’t be an embarrassment off the field AND let the program slide
As far as dan I can see an argument that it was “fast” but look how they finished last year and his performance this year.
Then take into account that this is in the state of Florida with a massively down FSU and Miami
These should be the golden years for UF but instead they are pretty much an afterthought nationally
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:17 pm to LsuTool
You have a good point, the ones getting canned are walking away with generational type money. I guess you can’t feel to sorry for them, ha.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:21 pm to LsuTool
quote:A lot of them do. Both voluntarily and not so much. It chews them up and spits them out. Look how many lifetime coordinators there are. I damn sure wouldn't do it. At this stage in my life, that amount of stress and scrutiny on your family isn't worth $5 million. What you're left with, mostly, is the uber driven hyper competitive psycho's who would sell their first born for an athlete. Constant out with the old, in with the new. And we wonder why it's such a a dirty game.
If they don’t like it, take a pay cut
It's weird now that in 40s-70s, the college coach at the big school didn't get paid enormously, he was like a grandpa and pillar to the state, he could stay there 30 years and always be mediocre and they'd name the stadium after him. I'm not saying we should go back to that.
Maybe there's a good balance, like the way it was in the 80s and 90s. Results were expected but there was also patience.
In 1994 if you wanted to rant about your coach you had to do it in person with your friends and no one outside could hear it. It's a result of the internet, 24/7 coverage, a million channels, combined with Nick Saban blowing everyone's expectations out of the water
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:22 pm to SA4LSU
Yes, expectations are just stupid. Fans all want Saban like results.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:23 pm to Adam Banks
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look how they finished last year
Giving Bama their best game of the year in the SECCG? That’s a ridiculously fast hook a year after being in the SECCG. Delusional expectations.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:26 pm to SA4LSU
just another consequence of the college football playoffs
it’s now “playoff or bust” mentality for players and fans, making bowl games and winning them is no longer considered a good/successful season
it was easier for fans to not feel like they had to be #1 or #2 every year as long as you were pushing for it and making NY or BCS bowl game. now a lot more fan bases feel they should be competing for a playoff spot yearly, and getting one of those bowls is considered a negative (so we see opt outs, no enthusiasm)
the sport is slowly dying without changes
it’s now “playoff or bust” mentality for players and fans, making bowl games and winning them is no longer considered a good/successful season
it was easier for fans to not feel like they had to be #1 or #2 every year as long as you were pushing for it and making NY or BCS bowl game. now a lot more fan bases feel they should be competing for a playoff spot yearly, and getting one of those bowls is considered a negative (so we see opt outs, no enthusiasm)
the sport is slowly dying without changes
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:27 pm to JJ27
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Giving Bama their best game of the year in the SECCG? That’s a ridiculously fast hook a year after being in the SECCG. Delusional expectations.
Throwing a shoe to lose a game they had absolutely no business losing combined with holding out your best player because you think you are that far above said team.
Mullen beats LSU that SECCg that you are talking about would have been playing to earn a playoff bid.
He then got waxed by Oklahoma to lose his third straight game and finish 8-4.
He went from legitimate playoff vision in the last regular season game vs a team with a record of 3-5 starting a true freshman on the road to 8-4.
Then they have had a catastrophic collapse this year
All this in the context of Miami and FSU being terrible
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:36 pm to Eighteen
The thing that is crazy is many guys never really see more than one full recruiting class come through before they are canned. Say a guy is hired late, his second year is really his first full recruiting class and those kids are juniors in a coach's fourth year if they didn't redshirt. So, you get this continuing cycle of coaches reliant on the prior coach's recruiting.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:43 pm to SA4LSU
With the stress and sheer volume of hours the job entails I can see some guys just saying frick it. They've made millions with millions more in buyouts to be paid.
Why kill yourself when you have 15-20 million?
Why kill yourself when you have 15-20 million?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:02 pm to SA4LSU
Too short? Who's been fired of late that didn't deserve it?
If coaches like O and Mullen were allowed to continue those programs would be set back for years. The leash is where it should be.
If coaches like O and Mullen were allowed to continue those programs would be set back for years. The leash is where it should be.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:06 pm to Adam Banks
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I guess this is in regards to orgeron and Mullen?
Well yes these two guys are at marquee programs where the lights shine brightest. But I was actually moreover speaking in general of the landscape of the game as a whole. It’s much more than these two guys coaches are getting shown the door a lot quicker at all levels of coaching. Good point brought up by the recruiting cycles. Shouldn’t a coach get time to go through a couple. And then there is the QB, get a great one and he covers up a lot of deficiencies. Look no further than our own back yard with Burrow.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:12 pm to SA4LSU
I was just thinking about this the other day, and the answer is yes.
Ed O deserved to be fired, he was completely unqualified and had no business being hired in the first place.
Guys like Herman at UT, Mullen at UF, Wells at TT? Seems unsustainable, all those guys are good coaches. Also no idea why Gus was fired at AU. They traded down.
I miss the days when the winning the conference and your bowl game was an admirable goal, now all the conferences are going to 16 teams and its a clusterfrick
Ed O deserved to be fired, he was completely unqualified and had no business being hired in the first place.
Guys like Herman at UT, Mullen at UF, Wells at TT? Seems unsustainable, all those guys are good coaches. Also no idea why Gus was fired at AU. They traded down.
I miss the days when the winning the conference and your bowl game was an admirable goal, now all the conferences are going to 16 teams and its a clusterfrick
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:20 pm to SA4LSU
quote:
Has the leash become to short for college football coaches?
Too*
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:21 pm to SA4LSU
The leash is never short enough for your team’s coach, but every other team should know their place and be patient.
Usually how these takes go.
Usually how these takes go.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:47 pm to mattz1122
Thanks Harris for catching that grammatical error. Proof reading not my strong point I guess.
Mattz1122, do you think Sark should get canned at UT, he’s had some pretty embarrassing losses and it is TX.
Mattz1122, do you think Sark should get canned at UT, he’s had some pretty embarrassing losses and it is TX.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:49 pm to SA4LSU
Only a place like Texas A&M will pay to be a nobody on a divisional level
Anywhere else is trying to win
You dont win you go
Anywhere else is trying to win
You dont win you go
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:51 pm to SA4LSU
Yes. Saban and alabama have kinda ruined college football with expectations.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 4:54 pm to Suntiger
It’s weird how money should follow results, but now we all pay upfront for potential.
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