Griffin's Draft Record

You are leaving out some of his worst moves:

1) trading for Adams and Bledsoe, inexplicably extending Adams, then having to give away assets to get rid of them;
2) trading Holliday for likely a bucket of nothing;
3) letting Lonzo go for nothing

Probably should add:

2013: Anthony Bennett
2014: Andrew Wiggins, Joe Harris(Ended up trading him for basically free)
2015: Traded pick in a deal for Timofey Mozgov. Selected Tyus Jones, Sir'Dominic Pointer

His poor drafting was one of my big concerns and reason I didn't want him, and unfortunately, it looks to have continued.

Phew boy I can’t believe we didn’t draft all these finished products.

This isn’t the NFL bro.

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2019
1- Zion
4 (Traded for 8 & 17)
8- Jaxon Hayes
17 - NAW
35 - Louzada

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As much as I hate on Hayes/NAW; Hunter has been damn injury prone. Garland however would have been nice. Alas, whatever.

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2020
13-Kira Lewis Jr.
24&60- (Traded in S. Adams deal)

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This was the huge miss so far when: Cole Anthony (previously considered a top 5 pick), Tyrese Maxey were available.

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2021
10- (Traded in J. Valanciunas deal)
17- Trey Murphy
35- Herb Jones

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This is his saving grace. TM3 has looked solid in spurts, he needs to add 20lbs but he's a smart player with a good shooting stroke. he needs to do more than just 3&D.

Herb looks like a future rotational player for the next decade

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I wish they would just send NAW to the Squadron and be done with him.

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I can’t believe a first time starter might take more than 14 games to get settled into some consistency.

He’s arguably the most talented guard on the roster

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He’s arguably the most talented guard on the roster

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That's saying quite a lot about the roster then, and not good...

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Honestly Herb's ceiling seems to be a Herb(there might be a better comp I havent considered), but he has potential to be a 3 and D with some solid ball handling and facilitating skills if he continues to develop in those directions. With the ability to switch 1-5 and guard 1-4 at an elite level, potentially even a small ball 5 if he adds size.

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---Herb is just a very unique situation. VERY late to even try & develope an offensive game, it was just how he was wired, in his youth. Had virtually NO offensive game when he arrived at Alabama. Had evolved to the point that Oats actually wanted to use Herb as his PG his Sr year (& even a bit in his Jr year, before he broke his wrist) Problem was...Herb was his best option at PG...BUT he was SO raw, he had no idea how to handle the situation when he got to the "decal" on his moves to the hoop.

---Herb was waaay too valuable on D, and waaay too foul prone, to allow him to run the offense also. He would commit a coupla offensive fouls goin' to the hoop just about every game he was used as PG. Given he was constantly in foul trouble...JUST on the defensive end...Oats had to drop the idea of using his best creator on offense. Needed to win games...couldn't take time to teach Herb how to go to the hoop without "charging"...and in college, teams would just line up to draw charges from Herb. Once again...he is a "raw piece of raw"...so much so...that I don't even know how to begin to put a "ceiling" on the guy. Helps that he's an insane workaholic & I don't see that changing, for many years.

It wasn't an insult. Just looking for a comp..

If you can't sign free agents, and you're too big of a poon to make splash trades, then you have to hit on most of your picks. Zion and Herb Jones are the only picks you can say are hits. Everyone else is either a bust or a bench role player at best. So of the 10 or so draft picks under Griffin, we have 1 superstar that we got lucky to get, 1 defensive/good all around game wing, and used multiple picks to eventually get Val. That's just not gonna get it done with a small market team.

It's not going to get it done. If you look around the league, successful franchises all have two or three guys they've acquired on good deals. Think a Seth Curry in Philly or Alex Caruso in Chicago. It would be as if Satoransky was coming off the bench and giving us 15 points a night.

Small market teams need to that level of talent evaluation, both in the draft and in finding underutilized players buried on other rosters. Agree year three is critical for NAW and Jaxson to show they can at least be rotation guys. As rule you can't take a guy top 10 with the idea it may be 3 years before you get anything out of him, especially in a small market...