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Never really appreciated Les Miles' recruitment of Olinemen until now
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:21 am
It wasn't just the Big Cat drill that made Mile's O-line tough. He always signed enough quality players to ensure LSU had a solid O-line. It's the building block of your team, it's what made Miles so successful at LSU.
Ed Orgeron will not be successful at LSU next year either because of his failure to secure LSU an Oline. Unless Ed achieves something miraculous and recruits quality junior college O-linemen and transfers who can contribute immediately, kiss next season goodbye!
For all the Cheerios, we all love LSU, this is not a rant but a reflection on where LSU football is headed. I don't hate Ed Orgeron but I'm extremely pissed at his failure to recognize what many of us saw coming. Under no circumstances should Ed be coaching next year at LSU unless he can prove this year that he's able to get LSU immediate help on the Oline.
Ed Orgeron will not be successful at LSU next year either because of his failure to secure LSU an Oline. Unless Ed achieves something miraculous and recruits quality junior college O-linemen and transfers who can contribute immediately, kiss next season goodbye!
For all the Cheerios, we all love LSU, this is not a rant but a reflection on where LSU football is headed. I don't hate Ed Orgeron but I'm extremely pissed at his failure to recognize what many of us saw coming. Under no circumstances should Ed be coaching next year at LSU unless he can prove this year that he's able to get LSU immediate help on the Oline.
This post was edited on 10/3/21 at 1:32 pm
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Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:22 am to TrueTigerTale
All he had to do was have a balanced offense.. and quit diddling with blonde staff
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:22 am to TrueTigerTale
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Ed Orgeron will not be successful at LSU next year...
Ed Orgeron won't even BE at LSU next year.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:23 am to TrueTigerTale
miles o line fell off the last few years. he would put guards at tackle.
however that line we saw last night was the worst i have seen since hallman
however that line we saw last night was the worst i have seen since hallman
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:24 am to TrueTigerTale
Watched Alabama line on running plays. At least a 3 yard push. Its like they have F-250s and we have used Toyota Tacomas with a few VW's thrown in.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:24 am to TrueTigerTale
People made fun of it at the end but 100% the big cat drill instilled a mentality of man on man toughness on the lines. We were outmatched on the lines vs bama but we would handle everyone else. That mentality led to us going 9-3 10-2 yearly because we could run at will and by the 4th quarter be gashing them. I never would question their toughness.
Now O instilled shorter easier practices and the toughness on the lines is completely gone. We were getting pushed around by McNeese
Now O instilled shorter easier practices and the toughness on the lines is completely gone. We were getting pushed around by McNeese
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:24 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
O is fricking gone. lose at kentucky and see what happens.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:26 am to TrueTigerTale
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Ed Orgeron will not be successful at LSU next year either because of his failure to secure LSU an Oline. Unless Ed achieves something miraculous and recruits quality junior college O-linemen and transfers who can contribute immediately, kiss next season goodbye!
You can have top rated classes, but if they’re built off the DL/skill positions, youre gonna get dominated by opposing Ds.
CEO recruiting focus has been on upgrading the DL
LSU has failed on player evaluations and player development along the OL.
When the OL struggles to block 3 DL, it’s an issue
When the OL struggles to run block vs a Defense that is rushing 3, dropping 8 into coverage and you still can’t run the ball…it’s a major Fn issue.
Everyone thinking this will change by starting MB at QB isn’t understanding the major issue along the OL
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:30 am to TrueTigerTale
Les Miles’ offensive lines were the weakest part of those teams, even weaker than QB. Saban left him with some good line recruits, and that’s how he got his one national championship. Only about 20% of Les’ starting oline made it to the NFL - That’s terrible!
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:31 am to TrueTigerTale
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failure to recognize what many of us saw coming.
Oh I think he recognized it, he just couldn’t get the OL recruits.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:33 am to Penrod
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Les Miles’ offensive lines were the weakest part of those teams, even weaker than QB. Saban left him with some good line recruits, and that’s how he got his one national championship. Only about 20% of Les’ starting oline made it to the NFL - That’s terrible!
Go look at the number of OL recruits both Saban and Kirby have signed each year over the past 5 years.
Then go back and look at Sabans OL recruiting when he got to LSU
You can sign the best 5 star skill position players every year. But if your getting killed along the OL….
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:35 am to tigersbh
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failure to recognize what many of us saw coming.
Oh I think he recognized it, he just couldn’t get the OL recruits.
He could have signed more 4 and 3-star Olinemmen but refused to. Fla does and hits on many of them
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:38 am to TrueTigerTale
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It wasn't just the Big Cat drill that made Mile's O-line tough. He always signed enough quality players to ensure LSU had a solid O-line. It's the building block of your team, it's what made Miles so successful at LSU.
This is only partially true. It amazes me how much some of you have forgotten about the end of the Les Miles tenure through recency bias. It was the same ending for the same fricking reasons- stubborn arrogance leading to eventual apathy and collapse. He stopped giving a shite after 2013 (and now we know why) and the wheels were falling off. He let the O Line go over that period too. It did’t have a chance to get this bad, but it was headed that way.
This is not an endorsement of O in any way shape or form. I’m just saying that by the end, NEITHER of these clowns was/is qualified to run this program.
This post was edited on 10/3/21 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:42 am to TrueTigerTale
Miles OL recruiting was off his last few years. He was recruiting guards and no OTs. Remember we lost Cam Robinson to Bama??
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:43 am to TrueTigerTale
It’s one thing to swing and miss on OL recruits. It’s another to sign kids and completely have zero development. He doesn’t know how to develop them and the coach he hired (Cregg) he let him run the roster dry. It’s worse than what Brick Haley and Chavis did to the front 7 on defense.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:50 am to TrueTigerTale
Miles always had a good running game. If he lacked talent on the OL, he developed what he had to the maximum. If he had to move a tackle to center or a guard to tackle, he developed them and it was always a solid collegiate unit. Saban with all his analysts and his NFL defenses, with Kirby Smart, knew the exact play many times and couldnt stop them some years.
You could bet your last dollar LSU was going to run the football, play great defense and be in the hunt for the title late into November.
Miles just couldnt find a QB to lead his amazing teams. And if it hadnt been for Saban, he still would have brought more major hardware to LSU, even with some of the worst QB play in the country.
Think about that? Who else could do that?
The perfect storm hit when Saban got rolling at Bama, Joe Alleva became AD and Louisiana's talent rich high schools stopped developing QB's at the same time.
You could bet your last dollar LSU was going to run the football, play great defense and be in the hunt for the title late into November.
Miles just couldnt find a QB to lead his amazing teams. And if it hadnt been for Saban, he still would have brought more major hardware to LSU, even with some of the worst QB play in the country.
Think about that? Who else could do that?
The perfect storm hit when Saban got rolling at Bama, Joe Alleva became AD and Louisiana's talent rich high schools stopped developing QB's at the same time.
This post was edited on 10/3/21 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:53 am to fightntiger32
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Miles OL recruiting was off his last few years. He was recruiting guards and no OTs. Remember we lost Cam Robinson to Bama??
I don't deny that. But some say Miles didn't sign great Oilinemen, that it was all Saban's leftovers. Not true! Except for the last several seasons, Miles was able to run right at Alabama for years, even though Saban knew what was coming.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:55 am to TrueTigerTale
Yeah, let’s not go overboard. Miles’s OLs weren’t that great his last few years.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:56 am to BearCrocs
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and quit diddling with blonde staff
Posted on 10/3/21 at 11:06 am to misey94
Miles did the opposite of O. He focused on OL and didn’t sign DL at a high enough rate. Even one year having one DL signee.
This is why I laugh when people call O a great recruiter. He is a good salesman and nothing more. He’s a horrible manager and planner. There is no logic in the recruiting to fill gaps until it is too late and causes a hole. Then to fix that hole, he causes another one after that.
It’s pathetic recruiter m, and now has been compounded with shite coaching and development.
This is why I laugh when people call O a great recruiter. He is a good salesman and nothing more. He’s a horrible manager and planner. There is no logic in the recruiting to fill gaps until it is too late and causes a hole. Then to fix that hole, he causes another one after that.
It’s pathetic recruiter m, and now has been compounded with shite coaching and development.
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