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re: Legal battle over right-to-life of Lafayette man in vegetative state
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:30 am to stelly1025
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:30 am to stelly1025
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So he tried to kill himself in prison in November 2018 and has been in a vegetative state for almost 3 years now. It is time to let go ,and the mother needs to realize that.
He isn't in a vegetative state. He hasn't had any form of therapy or treatment. How exactly would he show any progress without any help? If you think its OK to starve a man to death you're sick
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:32 am to jennBN
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I have worked with brain injuries as well as cardiac for my entire career. I don’t know Meagan, I am just empathetic. There is an excellent book by Elizabeth Kubler Ross “On death and dying”. It may help you through your grief.
What grief? He isn't dead. Maybe you should go read the book ghost boy
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:36 am to Allluvnohate
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He isn't in a vegetative state. He hasn't had any form of therapy or treatment. How exactly would he show any progress without any help? If you think its OK to starve a man to death you're sick
You are virtually dead if you are in a vegetative state and who is sick here? You advocate for keeping someone alive who has no function and will never recover, that is cruel.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:37 am to Allluvnohate
Grief isn’t reserved for death. Something this traumatic changes your way of life and it’s ok to grieve the loss of your old life. Assuming the best outcomes, Josh’s life will never be the same and it will never be easy. It’s normal for that to cause grief. You are in the bargaining and anger stage. Whether you read the book or not, know that you will eventually reach acceptance. I hope that you get there soon with as little pain as possible. May whatever god you serve be with you on your journey.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:38 am to Gris Gris
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Your link doesn’t address anything doctors say about Josh specifically. Did I miss a link with doctors who do?
Jenn is a good person in the medical field. She’s not the wife’s minion. You’re jumping to incorrect conclusions.
Josh has no Dr other than the nursing home physician. That is part of the problem. He only has a care plan. He has no treatment plan. Maegan never got him any type of specialist. He is in a nursing home and they don't rehabilitate people. He needs to be moved to an intensive rehab but his guardian had to be the one to request that and that isn't what she wants. Thats why they are in a court batwnow because his mom wants guardianship so she can get him the help he needs
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:39 am to stelly1025
Strange to keep a guy who tried to kill himself alive in a vegetative state so long.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:40 am to stelly1025
What part of he isnt in a vegetative state don't you understand?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:45 am to Allluvnohate
His gaze is disconjugate. Has anyone mentioned brain stem involvement? If you would prefer not to answer that is totally understandable.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:45 am to Allluvnohate
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What part of he isnt in a vegetative state don't you understand?
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Legal battle over right to life of Lafayette man in vegetative state gains national attention
I am going off the title of the article and the information in the article. Do you know this guy personally? How do you know he is not in a vegetative state?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:46 am to jennBN
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He isn't in a vegetative state. He hasn't had any form of therapy or treatment. How exactly would he show any progress without any help? If you think its OK to starve a man to death you're sick
You are virtually dead if you are in a vegetative state and who is sick here? You advocate for keeping someone alive who has no function and will never recover, that is cruel.
I am not in the "anger stage" I get angry when someone tries to say it is impossible for him to recover when you don't know that. If Josh would have gotten treatment and therapy 2 years ago he would be walking and talking right now. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind. Does it matter if he isn't 100% who he used to be? Is that what we do now? Just disgard people like trash if they aren't what we consider "normal" There is absolutely no reason for me to grieve. I have hope and I have faith.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:47 am to The Boat
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Strange to keep a guy who tried to kill himself alive in a vegetative state so long.
He didn't want to die and he isnt in a vegetative state
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:51 am to jennBN
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His gaze is disconjugate. Has anyone mentioned brain stem involvement? If you would prefer not to answer that is totally understandable.
What do you mean brain stem involvement?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:54 am to Allluvnohate
I’m not advocating for life sustaining measures to be withheld. That is a deeply personal decision that is up to the DPOA.
But from a quick assessment, his gaze is disconjugate, he lacks verbal response, shows no purposeful movement and does not follow commands. I believe he qualifies as what used to be called “vegetative state”.
But from a quick assessment, his gaze is disconjugate, he lacks verbal response, shows no purposeful movement and does not follow commands. I believe he qualifies as what used to be called “vegetative state”.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:56 am to stelly1025
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What part of he isnt in a vegetative state don't you understand?
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Legal battle over right to life of Lafayette man in vegetative state gains national attention
I am going off the title of the article and the information in the article. Do you know this guy personally? How do you know he is not in a vegetative state?
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:05 am to jennBN
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I’m not advocating for life sustaining measures to be withheld. That is a deeply personal decision that is up to the DPOA.
But from a quick assessment, his gaze is disconjugate, he lacks verbal response, shows no purposeful movement and does not follow commands. I believe he qualifies as what used to be called “vegetative state”.
Do you know that upto 40% of patients are misdiagnosed as being in a vegetative state? That is the reason there were recent changes to the criteria and the way a person is diagnosed. He does try to talk, he has tried sitting up on his own,if he is looking somewhere else and you ask him to look at you he will. He understands what is being said. He is conscious and can comprehend what your saying. Here is a video from one night when the evil monster got him highly upset and he even had tears coming out of his eyes.
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:09 am to jennBN
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But from a quick assessment, his gaze is disconjugate, he lacks verbal response, shows no purposeful movement and does not follow commands. I believe he qualifies as what used to be called “vegetative state”.
This was a couple weeks ago. He feels pain and you hear him verbally make a noise, you see his body respond and the look on his face when that evil monster is hurting him
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:09 am to Allluvnohate
He will likely scream and laugh as well. That is incredibly difficult on families. The brain stem can cause those reactions without purpose or reason.
I’m not going to watch anymore videos. He has a right to dignity, respect and privacy. There is no way he consented to the public posting or filming.
I’m not going to watch anymore videos. He has a right to dignity, respect and privacy. There is no way he consented to the public posting or filming.
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:17 am to jennBN
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He will likely scream and laugh as well. That is incredibly difficult on families. The brain stem can cause those reactions without purpose or reason.
Omg if you ask him to do something and he does it that is with purpose. If you ask him to smile several times and he does it, is that not with purpose? If you yell at him and say mean things to him and he starts crying, isn't that an indication he is understanding what is said to him?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:20 am to Allluvnohate
Maybe so. But the most logical answer is that his medical team has the diagnosis right.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:24 am to jennBN
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Maybe so. But the most logical answer is that his medical team has the diagnosis right.
He doesn't have a medical team. Nothing further has been done to explore his mental capacity. All of this will be done when his mom gets guardianship
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