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Generator fried my Coax amplifier

Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:13 am
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29720 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:13 am
Trying to figure out how to solve this issue.

About a month ago, i had a 30amp plug run through my breaker to run as much of my house as possible. Generac 8k portable generator.

its doing great, but the only thing not cooperating is my cable. it simply wouldnt connect to comcast. I finally determined that SOME HOW, it shorted out my coax amplifier and had to be replace. Now i'm scared to try again.

any ideas what the problem might be and how to resolve?
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 1:36 pm to
most of those coax amps are powered by an external step down transformer. That is probably all that blew, but it will keep happening. Those things are cheap and will short out at the drop of a hat.
ETA: Saying all of that, there is no way I am running any sensitive equipment off of a portable generator. Those things produce terrible power for anything electronic
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 1:38 pm
Posted by OldManRiver
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2005
7170 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

any ideas what the problem might be and how to resolve?

Portable Gas generators produce very "dirty" power that can easily damage electronics. You either need an inverter generator in the future, or some type of filter to clean the power prior to it getting to your components
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52355 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 1:49 pm to
This. Be aware the same issue applies to modern TVs as associated equipment.

Short of getting a new generator I’d put it on a UPS. Personally, when my power grid was shitty (rural, only house at end of long line) I put everything that would cost more than 1k to replace on a UPS even on a normal day.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17772 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

ETA: Saying all of that, there is no way I am running any sensitive equipment off of a portable generator. Those things produce terrible power for anything electronic


Need to use the right kind of generator or build something to act as a filter. Inverter generators offer clean enough power for sensitive electronics. An idea I'm toying with involves plugging my 50-amp Pyramid 12-15VDC power supply into my generator, running a pure-sine dc-ac automotive inverter, then pluging a circuit tester and oscilloscope I have to see how it looks. Pure-sine inverters aren't cheap though.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29720 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:02 pm to
thanks all. sadly i figured that might be the answer. took a lot of adjusting on the generator just to get the voltage and freq right. Frequency is running high to (64ish) just to keep the voltage up to 120/240. had major problems when the frequency was running optimal 61-62.

quote:

An idea I'm toying with involves plugging my 50-amp Pyramid 12-15VDC power supply into my generator, running a pure-sine dc-ac automotive inverter, then pluging a circuit tester and oscilloscope I have to see how it looks. Pure-sine inverters aren't cheap though.


let me know how that goes.

I guess i could get a smaller inverter to run those specific circuits.

***would taking the amplifier out and running a straight splitter cause damage to my modem probably?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17772 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 5:52 pm to
quote:

Frequency is running high to (64ish) just to keep the voltage up to 120/240. had major problems when the frequency was running optimal 61-62.




That's odd, I have a relatively cheap Champion 4500W conventional generator and I tuned it under an 1800W load, dead nuts on 60Hz at 3600 rpm. Might be a weak governor spring or a stiff throttle plate.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29720 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 6:10 pm to
So I should be getting 120 out of a lower frequency right?

I replaced the capacitor...that did nothing. Only idling up got my voltage high enough to run anything, which is when the freq problems came out.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
3070 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:47 pm to
On those portable units, frequency and voltage is going to be directly related to engine speed. Unloaded, you are going to want the voltage around 122, which will increase the frequency to around 63 or a little lower. That way when you put a load on it, it will settle down closer to 120/60.

I forgot what brand you said, but most of the big box store units have crappy voltage regulation and the regulators can not react fast enough to fridge or AC kicking on or off. And, as was mentioned before, it is about the dirtiest power you can get. I bet if it was hooked up to an oscilloscope the waveform would look like shite with loads of harmonics.

The solution is an inverter generator if you want to run anything that needs clean or stable power.

Just saw your comment above. On a 2 pole generator, at 3600 RPM you should have 120V @ 60 Hz. With decent regulation, it should pretty much hold that with a few dips and raises every now and then due to the engine not being able to maintain 3600 rpm perfectly, and the VR only being able to compensate so much.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 8:54 pm
Posted by STBTigerr
Mandeville/New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
5355 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:46 pm to
Here’s some info on the subject. Like somebody else said, I put most of my priority electronics on a UPS as an easy attempt to protect them. I haven’t had any issues yet during several days of operating on a cheap 5kW.

LINK
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
7843 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:14 am to
As mentioned a UPS might help clean up the power a bit...... You might also consider a Line/Power Conditioner. This is what we used overseas to clean up dirty power for computers and sensitive equipment that wouldn't tolerate the dirty power.

We had pallets of these in Korea;


ripp Lite Line Conditioner - 600 Watt (LS604WM)
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