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Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War
Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:56 pm
Slavery is/was evil. I think most everyone agrees with that. However, did or did not Abe overstep his boundaries by encroaching on other states rights who wanted to secede?
Would the Confederate states had inevitably been overtaken by France or England if they were left to their own? So was it ultimately the right move?
Was there a better way to address slavery than the bloodbath and federal takeover that was the Civil War? Was War the only option to end this barbaric practice?
Honest questions that never really gets discussed. The history surrounding the Civil War (who the good guys and bad guys were), I feel never gets an honest discussion.
My ancestors all arrived to the states 50 years after the war, so I have no personal beef either way.
Would the Confederate states had inevitably been overtaken by France or England if they were left to their own? So was it ultimately the right move?
Was there a better way to address slavery than the bloodbath and federal takeover that was the Civil War? Was War the only option to end this barbaric practice?
Honest questions that never really gets discussed. The history surrounding the Civil War (who the good guys and bad guys were), I feel never gets an honest discussion.
My ancestors all arrived to the states 50 years after the war, so I have no personal beef either way.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 10:01 pm
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:00 pm to burger bearcat
What's all this?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:03 pm to burger bearcat
Well, regardless, Lincoln went warhawks so much so that he had to fire generals that didn't want to attack fellow Americans. He was bloodthirsty. Was the costliest war in American history really the best option on the table?
He killed more Americans than all other Presidents combined.
He killed more Americans than all other Presidents combined.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:04 pm to burger bearcat
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Slavery is/was evil. I think most everyone agrees with that. However, did or did not Abe overstep his boundaries by encroaching on other states rights who wanted to secede?
Did the Civil War end Slavery? And if so, in what states? That’s your answer.
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Was there a better way to address slavery than the bloodbath and federal takeover that was the Civil War? Was War the only option to end this barbaric practice?
Slavery was going to end anyway. There is not an honest and intelligent student of history anywhere that will tell you the Civil War had anything at all to do with slavery.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:07 pm to Landmass
Traitors deserve a traitor’s death. The confederates were redneck losers, nothing you should be proud of colonel reb.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:09 pm to burger bearcat
Lincoln was a racist. Don’t let people fool you. He was trying to colonize black people to avoid conflict.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:10 pm to burger bearcat
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honest questions that never really gets discussed.
What? Hard to imagine a more discussed event for Americans than the civil war. There are a just a few books on the matter.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:10 pm to burger bearcat
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However, did or did not Abe overstep his boundaries by encroaching on other states rights who wanted to secede?
Yes, he did.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:14 pm to burger bearcat
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However, did or did not Abe overstep his boundaries by encroaching on other states rights who wanted to secede?
Where does this “right” to secede come from in your mind? The Supreme Court ruled in 1869 that unilateral secession by a state from the union was illegal.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:15 pm to burger bearcat
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Was there a better way to address slavery than the bloodbath and federal takeover that was the Civil War
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I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
That’s an actual quote from Abraham Lincoln’s mouth on September 18, 1858. Does that sound like some sort of benevolent champion of racial equality to you?
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:16 pm to udtiger
The North winning was the beginning of the end for the country as founded. The states started losing power and we have never fully recovered. It has taken time but we are about done now.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:16 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The Supreme Court ruled in 1869 that unilateral secession by a state from the union was illegal.
Literally no one could’ve known that when the war started, so what’s your point?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Where does this “right” to secede come from in your mind? The Supreme Court ruled in 1869 that unilateral secession by a state from the union was illegal.
US Civil War.....1861-1865.
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The Supreme Court ruled in 1869 that unilateral secession by a state from the union was illegal.
Dude......????
Have you read the Declaration of Independence recently? The Federal government was NEVER meant to be the Leviathan it is today.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:22 pm to ned nederlander
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What? Hard to imagine a more discussed event for Americans than the civil war. There are a just a few books on the matter.
I have mostly heard a white washed version (Lincoln and North Good and Lee and South bad). I really don't know, but I would imagine there is a little more nuance than that general consensus. I am far from some Confederate sympathizer though, just curious. I hear alot about Lincoln opening Pandoras box allowing the Progressive era to take root early 20th century.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:23 pm to Speckhunter2012
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Have you read the Declaration of Independence recently?
Or the constitution
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:24 pm to Nguyener
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Literally no one could’ve known that when the war started, so what’s your point?
I’m asking if he currently believes there is a “right” to secede from the union. It’s not spelled out in the constitution so it wasn’t a clear thing even during the civil war. His question assumes there is a right to secede though.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:25 pm to burger bearcat
Slavery was not even one of the top 10 reasons for the Civil War. Lincoln was the worst tyrant in American history and also like to suck dick.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:25 pm to Mickey Goldmill
The Supreme Court ruled in 1869
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:25 pm to Nguyener
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There is not an honest and intelligent student of history anywhere that will tell you the Civil War had anything at all to do with slavery.
Absolutely untrue, preposterous. Just read the letters of secession. The war was about the preservation of slavery. Full stop.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:26 pm to Speckhunter2012
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Dude......????
Have you read the Declaration of Independence recently? The Federal government was NEVER meant to be the Leviathan it is today.
I asked where the “right” comes from. Not the law apparently, which is what I’m referencing.
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Chase, [Chief Justice], ruled in favor of Texas on the ground that the Confederate state government in Texas had no legal existence on the basis that the secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The critical finding underpinning the ruling that Texas could not secede from the United States was that, following its admission to the United States in 1845, Texas had become part of "an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states". In practical terms, this meant that Texas has never seceded from the United States.
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