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re: Amazon’s Lord of the Rings dead on arrival
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:02 pm to Jay Are
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:02 pm to Jay Are
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I know you know this is a particularly stupid analogy
Like Ronald Reagan used to say, so much of what you know just isn’t so.
It’s a spot on analogy. Because when you fundamentally alter the source material,( as has happened with Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, and others, ) you lose the very essence of what the original was meant to convey.
Of course J.R.R. Tolkien used previous works or themes to tell his story. Because it was useful for him to do so. But in the context of which he did, he didn’t overwrite those themes or stories simply to serve his purpose. They still exist outside of his Middle Earth. Nothing gets sacrificed at the altar of wokeness, or progressive agendas.
JK Rowling certainly did a similar thing with her books, but that didn’t in any way influence or take away from their works.
Obviously there was an entire world which Tolkien had created. And there are far more stories than could ever be told. But the one critical fact is that they must be held accountable or tie into his works if they are going to use his stories as a framework.
If there are references to Beren and Luthien , there had better not be any freeform storytelling which doesn’t adhere to the previous known works.
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:04 pm to AURaptor
the last time I have ever thought about when watching LOTR was how would the chinese feel about this episode. I can't wait for it to premiere.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:12 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Saying a product can’t evolve past its original design is the opposite of finding new and creative ways of storytelling. No genre or work of art should be pigeonholed into being one thing or another and I think LOTR has the right to diverge from Tolkien’s original path if they have found some interesting stories to tell.
Except the Tolkien estate sold Amazon the rights to the show specifically because Amazon had promised NOT to take the story in a new or different direction. They are required by the deal they made with his estate to remain 100% faithful to the source material.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:14 pm to RollTide1987
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Except the Tolkien estate sold Amazon the rights to the show specifically because Amazon had promised NOT to take the story in a new or different direction. They are required by the deal they made with his estate to remain 100% faithful to the source material.
Don’t frick with the Tolkien estate.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:56 pm to RollTide1987
And Kathleen Kennedy sat there and lied to George Lucas‘s face saying Disney would hold true to his vision. How long did it take before she told people that they are simply wasn’t any source material, which is why they went AWOL on pretty much everything Star Wars related.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:59 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm a firm believer in sticking to the source materials. If the source materials were what you bought because they are popular, than changing them to suit modern sensibilities or a particular political ideology makes no sense. It does a disservice to the original IP and angers those that fell in love with the property as it was. Plus, it makes it obvious that what the studio wanted was the name recognition of the IP and not the IP itself. Think of abysmal translations of books to movies like I Am Legend, which completely altered the entire story...but kept the name so as to lure in viewers. IT was very much the same in this regard
The Amazon’s trilogy is original stories on brand new characters I thought?
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:01 pm to OMLandshark
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This line of thinking is how you got The Last Jedi. No, it’s a betrayal to the universe
When done poorly. There are other examples done well.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:03 pm to Hester Carries
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What a fricking bunch of progressive, gobbeldygook. Good job, comrade
Oh no, forward thinking. How awful
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:04 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Anything other than a faithful, paint by numbers adaptation is a slap in the face to your beloved Tolkien
Then write your own woke arse fairytale if you must. Leave the works of the masters alone
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:08 pm to AURaptor
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Then write your own woke arse fairytale if you must. Leave the works of the masters alone
Why is it automatically woke? This is what I’m talking about. You’re clearly emotional about this.
Tolkien being a master is also up for debate. The books are pretty polarizing.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:09 pm to OMLandshark
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I worked in Chinese entertainment.
Got talkative pulling the rickshaw around town?
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:26 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Tolkien being a master is also up for debate. The books are pretty polarizing.
Not for anyone who knows what the hell they’re talking about. Not for anyone who is familiar with the genre
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:30 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Tolkien being a master is also up for debate. The books are pretty polarizing.
Completely false.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:46 pm to AURaptor
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Not for anyone who knows what the hell they’re talking about.
Any serious literary critic or someone well read would not have compared it to the Mona Lisa
Tolkien is a hell of a world builder but that’s not the same as being a good storyteller Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:49 pm to Philzilla2k
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Completely false.
I mean, no. To fans, maybe. But if you Google search at all, you’ll see plenty of criticism from casual readers and critics alike.
Doesn’t make them right or wrong. Makes it their opinion but doesn’t make the fact they’re polarizing false.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:54 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Doesn’t make them right or wrong. Makes it their opinion but doesn’t make the fact they’re polarizing false.
It’s routinely listed as one of the greatest books of the 20th Century. Some phage on his blog is hardly indicative of widespread polarization. Your just talking out of your arse.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:57 pm to AURaptor
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And Kathleen Kennedy sat there and lied to George Lucas‘s face saying Disney would hold true to his vision.
The Tolkien estate is heavily involved in the creative process by all accounts. They have Amazon on a fairly tight leash. Though a story that went under the radar last year due to the pandemic involved Amazon parting ways with its Tolkien consultant over creative differences. So we'll see.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:58 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Any serious literary critic or someone well read would not have compared it to the Mona Lisa Tolkien is a hell of a world builder but that’s not the same as being a good storyteller
Thanks for showing everybody that you completely missed the point.
SMH
I recommend you reread what I posted, think about it, and then try again.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 4:03 pm to Philzilla2k
For every single one of those I can show you an article that points out very real flaws in LOTR. Just Google. The information is right there. But yeah, just disregard anyone’s opinion that’s the opposite of yours as “talking out of their arse” just so you don’t have to think and consider you could be wrong. Closed minded at its finest.
I never said his work wasn’t influential. I never said I didn’t appreciate his works. I just wouldn’t compare him to fricking Hemingway or Fitzgerald or compare his work to the Mona Lisa
He’s a master world builder, not a master storyteller.
I never said his work wasn’t influential. I never said I didn’t appreciate his works. I just wouldn’t compare him to fricking Hemingway or Fitzgerald or compare his work to the Mona Lisa
He’s a master world builder, not a master storyteller.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 4:06 pm to AURaptor
I suggest you re-read MY original posts. I’m not going to judge a show like you guys and flip out like a bunch of pussies over one article...before the show is even out. It’s pointless.
That’s my point of this entire argument. A lot of “fans” aren’t even giving the show a chance.
That’s my point of this entire argument. A lot of “fans” aren’t even giving the show a chance.
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