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NOT Paul bashing but why has Vandy - Ark - State passed them?

Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:20 am
Posted by GA Tiger
Woodstock
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:20 am
Vandy ALWAYS has pitching. Ark is good every year. State is doing well. Why LSU struggling ?
Posted by Joe Mantegna
knoxville
Member since Oct 2007
9624 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:23 am to
Consistently developing players, especially pitchers. Hiring good assistants.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
54703 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:23 am to
Because there coaches don't whine about everything
Instead they go out and recruit and do the job at hand
Our coach would rather whine about Vandy's scholarship advantage
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:29 am to
1) Paul doesn’t recruit. So he’s had to have a dedicated recruiter as one of his paid coaches. For a number of years, he relied on unqualified former players to be his hitting coach.

2) Paul was slow to adjust the makeup of his team once the NCAA un-deadened the ball. He had a preference for elite fielders, usually shortstops and center fielders at every position. As a result, the lineups lacked consistent power.

He seems to have turned a corner this year, but it’s a about five years too late.

3) he’s old. Respect the man for what he’s accomplished. Only 4-5 guys are active with a resume that is equal or superior to his. But he seems to have lost an edge. This is probably why it’s been widely speculated by the BR sports media that he’ll be stepping down at the end of the year.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 7:31 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:32 am to
The consistent power is not on this team either
They are at the bottom of league in HR's in sec games only
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:37 am to
Recruiting & development
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:37 am to
Thanks for qualifying you post with first 3 words

Way to say what you really mean bro.
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:39 am to
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Paul doesn’t recruit. So he’s had to have a dedicated recruiter as one of his paid coaches


Why is this allowed to happen? I equate this to someone just flat out not showing up to work, or showing up and not doing a damn thing all day. A college coach not going out and recruiting is inexcusable.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:39 am to
Well Vandy can pretty much give every player financial aid.

Arky- Dave Van Horn is a pretty awesome coach.

State- No idea.
Posted by Lakefront-Tiger
Da Lakefront
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:40 am to
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logjamming


This guy gets it.
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 7:58 am to
Similar situation to Roy Williams at UNC in basketball. He lost the fire, the kids stopped responding, and it’s time for everyone to move on.
Posted by GA Tiger
Woodstock
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:04 am to
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Thanks for qualifying you post with first 3 words Way to say what you really mean bro.


You are wrong.
Posted by Mbeloso
Gonzales
Member since Dec 2019
714 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:05 am to
Vanderbilt has a built in advantage with scholarships
Arkansas has a better coach
MS State has done well in player development IMO
Posted by rsbd
banks of the Mississippi
Member since Jan 2007
23388 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:10 am to
Because Paul actually retired 6 years ago
Posted by Dennis Celery
Member since Apr 2021
708 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:14 am to
Because he’s phoned it in since Bregman left if we’re gonna be honest. 2017 was a fluke. This program was stale before 2017 and it’s been dead afterwards.
Posted by Geaux Guy
Member since Dec 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:21 am to
Ebb and Flow
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62460 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:44 am to
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NOT Paul bashing but why has Vandy - Ark - State passed them?



Only Vandy has "passed" LSU. Vandy is a legitimate yearly contender for the NC.

Their academics, scholarship money available, and newfound success has made them a quality program.

State and Arkansas aren't any different than they've always been. LSU has fallen below them. Those two are always capable of having a great team...but not at the level of Vanderbilt.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:00 am to
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Because there coaches don't whine about everything



Sweet Baby Jesu!!!

If you can't write a simple sentence, just shut the frick up!

Ignorance is like a disease on the Rant.
Posted by boudinman
Member since Nov 2019
6101 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:09 am to
They have a better training staff for one thing. Every year LSU is a MASH unit. Time to wipe out that department and start anew with better methods that keep players on the field.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40426 posts
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:16 am to
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Why is this allowed to happen? I equate this to someone just flat out not showing up to work, or showing up and not doing a damn thing all day. A college coach not going out and recruiting is inexcusable.


How much "going out and recruiting" do you think Skip did? Hint: Very little.

That's part of the issue. CPM is very much of the mentality of an old-school MLB manager. The problem is, there's not enough assistant coaches allowed to be able to really do that, unless your assistant coaches can also do multiple things well, like a pitching or a hitting coach who can also be your recruiting coordinator.

Years ago, that didn't matter much but as more teams are getting better programs and competing for athletes, it matters more and more.

Your HC must be able to do something else. Skip didn't recruit but he did call pitches.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 9:17 am
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