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re: [The Athletic] What An Expanded Playoff May Look Like
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:15 pm to Buckeye Backer
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:15 pm to Buckeye Backer
End the Bowl Season all together except for the 8 semi finalists.
Round of 8:
Orange
Sugar
Fiesta
Peach
Final 4:
Rose
Cotton
National Championship:
Las Vegas
Round of 8:
Orange
Sugar
Fiesta
Peach
Final 4:
Rose
Cotton
National Championship:
Las Vegas
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:18 pm to 1BamaRTR
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know you didn’t but that was one of the things that were laid out in the OP and I was mostly arguing against.
Also most years it wouldn’t be like that. BYU might be intriguing (though they did struggle against the only ranked team they played in the regular season) because you want to see how they might do versus a top P5 team. But if you look at most year’s polls, the lower rank of the top 16 teams would be 3 loss P5 teams. Like Iowa in 2019. I just don’t think a team that lost 1/4 (30% under your reduced scenario) of their games deserves to be in. That’s a significant chunk of games to lose and still be in. Especially for a sport where there’s so many give me wins already. So basically teams have to show up for 5 games a year and they’re in
I dont disagree with that in totality. Yes there will be blowouts, but from an interest standpoint, it keeps the fans from those 16-25th ranked teams, interested in the season. Again, thats GOOD for college football. Nobody is arguing that a 16 would ever beat a 1...but never say never. The point is, the more teams are still engaged to try and make that top 16...the better for college football.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:20 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Explain how going back to the old system would stop the avalanche of players opting out? I am alllll ears.
I didn’t say it would, but now that you asked; there is so much emphasis placed on making the playoffs that top programs that don’t make it basically have their season over once they are out of contention. Let’s say a 2 loss Oregon and a 2 loss Michigan win their conferences (Michigan may be a bridge too far. They ain’t winning shite). Well those two may be invited to the rose bowl, and in years past, that was HUGE! Today, half the team will opt out because the game isn’t a goal for them. It’s not a target. The don’t care.
Taking the emphasis off the playoffs is one way to do that.
Now I’m not anti playoff or even anti expansion, but what I don’t want are average to slightly above average teams getting a shot at a national title.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:21 pm to Buckeye Backer
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The TaxSlayerDot.Com bowl is what some of you want back?
frick yeah! Give me some 7-5 MAC team versus a 8-4 sunbelt team in a random Wednesday before Christmas. It was awesome.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:21 pm to Buckeye Backer
We hear all the time about the "trophy generation"...well creating at 16 team playoff, eliminating the bowl system all together, does just that. I gets rid of 7-5 or 6-6 teams making a bowl game they dont deserve to be in. Either make the 16 team field or better luck next year. I have really come around to the idea of it.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:21 pm to dawgfan24348
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A 16 over a 1? Highly doubtful
Once again! A 16th seed in CBB is 64th to 68th overall seed. It’s much more likely that a top 16 team (based on the AP poll) in CBB beats a top 3 team. In CFB, the top 3 teams are usually blowing out even ranked teams.
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Which is why we're talking about just 16 not 64
Blowouts are seen even with 16 teams. Because that’s my point. CBB and CFB are not similar. The gap between teams is much smaller in CBB overall.
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Auto bids for the G5 maybe but P5 chances are extremely unlikely
I was referring to auto bids for the G5 teams not happening, not the P5 teams
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And your point? Having three at large bids in an 8 team or 11 at large in a 16 team playoff gives the G5 teams a far better chance then now
Seriously? How do you not understand? You keep missing my point. I said 3 to 4 loss teams would get in. You said no because of G5 auto bids, and laid out a 2019 hypothetical showing no 3-4 loss teams getting.
What I’m saying is that your hypothetical is BS. They won’t go that route of G5 auto bids because in doing so would be to give G5 teams a lot of respect. So the much more likely 16 team scenario involves 3-4 loss teams getting in since there would be numerous at large bids probably based off a playoff like poll.
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Obviously this is done for ratings but expansion will help the G5 teams that's not even up for debate.
I’m not debating that. I’m saying 16 teams is too much because what will happen will be 3-4 loss teams getting in. So it’s too many team that don’t deserve in. I didn’t say anything about a highly ranked G5 team getting in.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:22 pm to Buckeye Backer
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But in the current set up, coaches of 6-6 teams can say "see we have made 10 bowl games in a row"... all the while going 6-6 every year. Whats the difference?
6-6 gets you fired at a P5 school other than Vandy and the PAC-12 after too long.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:23 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Not if all the conference commissioners and presidents agree to it. Its 100% doable.
Bill Hancock said himself, there is no timetable for an extended playoff because they are locked in obligated contracts with TV, schools and others. 2025 would be the earliest movement for an expansion.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:23 pm to Buckeye Backer
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but from an interest standpoint, it keeps the fans from those 16-25th ranked teams, interested in the season.
Where as 1-14 really don’t care because they are in. Losses don’t hurt. That’s the thing with college football now. Losses hurt. They don’t in NCAA basketball. Not even a little if you’re a good team.
The NCAA football season was THE pressure cooker of a regular season. It will stay that way if expansion is halted or limited. But if you increase the playoff contenders 4x? Away goes that pressure.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:25 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I didn’t say it would, but now that you asked; there is so much emphasis placed on making the playoffs that top programs that don’t make it basically have their season over once they are out of contention. Let’s say a 2 loss Oregon and a 2 loss Michigan win their conferences (Michigan may be a bridge too far. They ain’t winning shite). Well those two may be invited to the rose bowl, and in years past, that was HUGE! Today, half the team will opt out because the game isn’t a goal for them. It’s not a target. The don’t care.
Taking the emphasis off the playoffs is one way to do that.
Now I’m not anti playoff or even anti expansion, but what I don’t want are average to slightly above average teams getting a shot at a national title.
AGAIN, how would expanding to a 16 team field do that? You yourself have said that a 16 seed would NEVER beat a 1 seed. So how does that give them a "shot at a national title"? Does the 16 seed in the NCAA tournament have a shot at the national title? This is literally making college football more competitive. Maybe, if the teams that have 2 losses, still knew they had a shot, maybe they would keep practicing hard and make the product better. I could argue that, once a team loses 2 games, the season becomes meaningless to them in the current system. NOTHING of the current or past status quo is going to fix opt-out culture...people need to really start understanding that. The only thing that will mininumize it is MORE teams in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:27 pm to Buckeye Backer
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I gets rid of 7-5 or 6-6 teams making a bowl game they dont deserve to be in.
Why do you think a lot of teams would agree to this? First you proposed to reduction to 10 regular season games. Now you also talk about less teams making bowl games. In both cases athletic departments are going to be missing out on a lot of money. The playoffs helps the teams getting, but the vast majority they’re not getting in.
It doesn’t matter what they think regarding fewer bowl spots, but I can’t see even a lot of teams (even most P5 ones) agreeing to reducing regular season by 2 games. That’s a lot of revenue lost.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:28 pm to Buckeye Backer
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guarantee if Tennessee somehow snuck into the top 16
Of course. I watch tn every week reguardless if 12-0 or 0-12. But i used to make an effort to be home every saturday, 11am-11pm and watch every game i could all day long. That excitement isnt there anymore, because "oh bama loses to ole miss this week, no biggie still make top 4" unlike in the past 1 game could completely do you in, and made each regular season game exciting.
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The bowl system is DEAD
Yes, as is that excitement for bowls BECAUSE of the little playoff
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A 16 team playoff is the only solution to minimizing opt-out culture.
It will be shite, nothing is more fun than having 3 or 4 loss teams in a playoff. Regular season meaningless.
As far as opt out culture, that has nothing to do with any of it. That is just the nature of players today. They just care about money and themself. A high % of these players could care less about your school, or mine.. they dony really gaf about winning a championship, only thing worried about is getting to the nfl now.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:31 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Why do you think a lot of teams would agree to this? First you proposed to reduction to 10 regular season games. Now you also talk about less teams making bowl games. In both cases athletic departments are going to be missing out on a lot of money. The playoffs helps the teams getting, but the vast majority they’re not getting in.
It doesn’t matter what they think regarding fewer bowl spots, but I can’t see even a lot of teams (even most P5 ones) agreeing to reducing regular season by 2 games. That’s a lot of revenue lost.
You're probably right about the 10 game schedule. I said the presidents would never agree to it. But i stick to what i have said about the playoff expanding to 16. Make the playoff and you dont have to worry about that revenue being lost right? Again, that puts MORE pressure on teams to win...which is GOOD for college football. I keep hearing these arguments which are rewarding mediocrity. I thought we wanted to get that out of sports?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:33 pm to oleyeller
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Of course. I watch tn every week reguardless if 12-0 or 0-12. But i used to make an effort to be home every saturday, 11am-11pm and watch every game i could all day long. That excitement isnt there anymore, because "oh bama loses to ole miss this week, no biggie still make top 4" unlike in the past 1 game could completely do you in, and made each regular season game exciting.
Maybe if you knew they still had a shot at the playoff the "excitement" would still be there?
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Yes, as is that excitement for bowls BECAUSE of the little playoff
But if they expanded that, excitement may increase for MORE teams
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It will be shite, nothing is more fun than having 3 or 4 loss teams in a playoff. Regular season meaningless.
But you are ok with 4-5-6 loss teams making bowl games? I just dont get it lol
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:37 pm to Buckeye Backer
All we have ever heard from SEC fans over the years is "our conference is so strong", we beat up on each other (which i dont disagree with btw). Well wouldn't that be the very 3-4 loss teams you are describing? Maybe a 12th seed 4 loss LSU team goes into a 5th seeded 2 loss Wisconsin team in Camp Randall and wins? THAT would be a great scene. I figured SEC fans would love this?
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:39 pm to Buckeye Backer
Don't lump us all together
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:41 pm to AUCE05
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Don't lump us all together
LOL Of course not, but you see my point right? This is not only good for College Football, but particularly good for the SEC. This would be a true gauge of conference strength in my opinion. Some of those past SEC West seasons? Just brutal. This doesn't take away from the regular season at all. It creates more oppurtunity IMO.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:42 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Make the playoff and you dont have to worry about that revenue being lost right? Again, that puts MORE pressure on teams to win...which is GOOD for college football.
You know the vast majority teams know they will rarely if ever make playoffs. Why move to this and lose a lot of money most if not every year just for the possibility of making some money one year? When you can just keep that money now?
A lot of these athletic departments are already running in the red most years, it would have be a hell of a motivating factor to cause them to make drastic move that affects all FBS teams.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:45 pm to Buckeye Backer
I have been wanting 6 conference Champs plus 2 at large teams for years. I have never read a argument to keep the BCS/4 -team playoffs that makes logical sense.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:49 pm to dawgfan24348
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Those games never mattered unless it was the natty so that argument makes no sense
I honestly don’t know how anyone alive at the time could have this take. People cared tremendously about those games.
And if the argument is all that matters is the championship, then it’s not like a 4-5 matchup between Texas A&M and Notre Dame would matter in a large playoff because both those teams get run by Alabama in a semifinal.
If the take is all that matters is a championship, then games not involving Alabama, Ohio State, etc. are pointless regardless of the playoff size.
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