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re: Electric Automobiles - What's your take?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 4:29 pm to Tempratt
Posted on 4/4/21 at 4:29 pm to Tempratt
We are still a long long way off from EVs becoming mainstream.
Sure, there are some good applications that work great.
We have an battery-powered forklift that works great.
Go to large warehouses and you see them in use all day long.
Golf courses have been using battery-powered carts for decades.
There are, however, still large hurdles that must be overcome for EVs to used wide scale.
The battery technology is still not there. Until some sort of battery tech, such as a solid-state battery, can be achieved that can be produced on a mass-scale that is viably economical, it is still a pipe dream.
Battery tech company QuantumScape claims they have solved this issue but there has been no independent verication or testing to prove their claim.
Even the vaunted Elon Musk and Tesla will admit that the technology is still a long way off.
Then there is the extraction/mining of rare-earth minerals to produce and manufacture these batterys.
Think of strip-mining, which is very environmentally destructive.
Oh yeah, guess who has the lithium market cornered right now. Yep, its Chyna.
We are going to need mega-tons of lithium, copper and other metals not only to produce batteries(that have yet to be seen) but we are going to need mega tons to manufacture many of the componets that are going to be needed for EVs.
Right now, there is a huge shortage of micro-chips needed to produce many of the gas/diesel engine componets.
Then there is the actual power generation of electricity to fuel EVs.
It takes years and years just to agree when and where to build a power generating plant.
Then it may take another ten years just to build that plant.
Solar and wind are pretty much Mickey-Mouse. Again, they have a few good applications but they will nowhere generate enough power to fuel the nations fleet of vehicles.
Nuclear power is the way to go, we are now on the third generation of nuclear power plants such as Westinghouse's AP1000 design.
Research has been underway on fourth generation NP designs and there are several promising designs out there.
Tens of millions of homes, businesses etc, are going to have to be wired for 220 volt recepticles.
Then there is the issue of power transmission lines. Most people don't want thpse ugly huge towers installed in their quaint little neighborhoods but the ENTIRE power-grid will have to be re-wired with the heavier guage wire.
I can go on and on. I am not trying to be a downer here and I welcome new technology, advances and research.
But the fact remains, oil and gas, with the addition of Nuclear power, are what we as a nation, a society will need for decades to come.
Sure, there are some good applications that work great.
We have an battery-powered forklift that works great.
Go to large warehouses and you see them in use all day long.
Golf courses have been using battery-powered carts for decades.
There are, however, still large hurdles that must be overcome for EVs to used wide scale.
The battery technology is still not there. Until some sort of battery tech, such as a solid-state battery, can be achieved that can be produced on a mass-scale that is viably economical, it is still a pipe dream.
Battery tech company QuantumScape claims they have solved this issue but there has been no independent verication or testing to prove their claim.
Even the vaunted Elon Musk and Tesla will admit that the technology is still a long way off.
Then there is the extraction/mining of rare-earth minerals to produce and manufacture these batterys.
Think of strip-mining, which is very environmentally destructive.
Oh yeah, guess who has the lithium market cornered right now. Yep, its Chyna.
We are going to need mega-tons of lithium, copper and other metals not only to produce batteries(that have yet to be seen) but we are going to need mega tons to manufacture many of the componets that are going to be needed for EVs.
Right now, there is a huge shortage of micro-chips needed to produce many of the gas/diesel engine componets.
Then there is the actual power generation of electricity to fuel EVs.
It takes years and years just to agree when and where to build a power generating plant.
Then it may take another ten years just to build that plant.
Solar and wind are pretty much Mickey-Mouse. Again, they have a few good applications but they will nowhere generate enough power to fuel the nations fleet of vehicles.
Nuclear power is the way to go, we are now on the third generation of nuclear power plants such as Westinghouse's AP1000 design.
Research has been underway on fourth generation NP designs and there are several promising designs out there.
Tens of millions of homes, businesses etc, are going to have to be wired for 220 volt recepticles.
Then there is the issue of power transmission lines. Most people don't want thpse ugly huge towers installed in their quaint little neighborhoods but the ENTIRE power-grid will have to be re-wired with the heavier guage wire.
I can go on and on. I am not trying to be a downer here and I welcome new technology, advances and research.
But the fact remains, oil and gas, with the addition of Nuclear power, are what we as a nation, a society will need for decades to come.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 5:35 pm to Reubaltaich
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We are still a long long way off from EVs becoming mainstream.
Tesla Model 3 is already here.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 5:46 pm to Reubaltaich
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Nuclear power is the way to go, we are now on the third generation of nuclear power plants such as Westinghouse's AP1000 design.
That can keeps getting kicked down the road with the problems at Vogtle and Sumner just straight up cancelled. SMRs will end up being more realistic.
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Tens of millions of homes, businesses etc, are going to have to be wired for 220 volt recepticles.
Not hard at all
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Then there is the issue of power transmission lines. Most people don't want thpse ugly huge towers installed in their quaint little neighborhoods but the ENTIRE power-grid will have to be re-wired with the heavier guage wire.
No, power transmission and load is trending down or stabilizing for the most part with energy efficiency and is not expected to rise significantly which has allowed us to get rid of coal plants without as much new generation to replace it. EVs charging will more than likely give us less of an off peak. We can make it work.
All the coal in my region will likely be gone by 2027, no nuke will replace it currently. Maybe more CC generation, so you are right O&G will remain king of power generation even if you don’t use it in your car.
EVs will be become more normal every year, but O&G is not going to be endangered for a long time. The energy industry has a plan to adapt to the needs of EV charging. Well maybe not ERCOT lol.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 5:55 pm
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