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re: C17 steep tactical descent and touch and go practice at KMLU today
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:27 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:27 pm to Wolfhound45
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All of my C130 jumps just sucked. There is just no way around it.
When I'm at the BAC and we're sharing lifts with a 17, we always joke about the students being pissed/scared of getting stuck with us instead of the 17. Edit: J vs H probably doesn't matter from a jumper perspective. That 17 is a cadillac though. My Hercules brethren would probably toss my arse for that statement.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 10:31 pm
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:33 pm to Wolfhound45
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I did do a jumping JM duty for a C130 tailgate jump with 112th SO SIG BN.
HALO or Static line?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:33 pm to HerkFlyer
Hooah. Fryar DZ.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:35 pm to HerkFlyer
Static line. The SOSBN had such heavy individual loads to jump they never used the doors. Always over the ramp. Only got to jump with them once.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:37 pm to Wolfhound45
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Hooah. Fryar DZ.
Was there 2 weeks ago. Felt bad because we didn't do a great job for them. Plane kept breaking and we got weather evacuated to Tampa because of the storms.
Oh well though, I was there in December and did 12 lifts in one day. 600+ jumpers and a personal record for me. Sometimes you're the bug, others you're the windshield. I love that mission.
I need to go out to the bleachers at Fryar and see it from the ground.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:42 pm to Wolfhound45
The extra step is nice. I had three jumps from a C130 and two from a C17 at Airborne school. My risers never twisted on the C17 which I attribute to the extra step.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:45 pm to HerkFlyer
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I was there in December and did 12 lifts in one day. 600+ jumpers and a personal record for me.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:46 pm to ComebackEllisHugh
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The extra step is nice. I had three jumps from a C130 and two from a C17 at Airborne school. My risers never twisted on the C17 which I attribute to the extra step.
Out of pure curiosity from an aircrew perspective, what extra step? I'm not super familiar with back-end operations during personnel drops.
I obviously don't get feedback from jumpers as they're gone by the time I get the chance to ask how it went. Wolfhound is the closest to that I've ever had.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:47 pm to ComebackEllisHugh
quote:As a jumpmaster (master rated), riser twists are (generally) from poor body position on exit. So you are correct partly. The C130 is a more difficult exit hence you tend to get twisted risers (I almost always did). C17 is just a nice, clean walk out the door. Love that plane.
My risers never twisted on the C17
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:51 pm to Wolfhound45
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That's my job baw. I legitimately don't complain about those days.
The C-17 that was there had a fire alarm at their hotel the night before and couldn't fly per their home station so it was all on us that day. Like I said, I love that mission and could do it every day.
The JM's were giving me shite saying they saw a 130 crew do a full lift of mass exit in 10 minutes and 30 something seconds. We did mostly sub 11 minute lifts that day, but I couldn't break the record.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:53 pm to Wolfhound45
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C17 is just a nice, clean walk out the door. Love that plane.
You think it's the prop blast as opposed to cleaner air behind jet engines?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:54 pm to HerkFlyer
quote:Frick that. Just give me the ten minute slow down and on the right drop zone. You are the one taking 23mm fire in the real world
The JM's were giving me shite saying they saw a 130 crew do a full lift of mass exit in 10 minutes and 30 something seconds. We did mostly sub 11 minute lifts that day, but I couldn't break the record.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:57 pm to Wolfhound45
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You are the one taking 23mm fire in the real world
Totally a training environment scenario. The baws at Benning are good with like a 2 minute slowdown.
Also, just to confirm. You didn't jump from a 130 in early October of 2019 did you? I did a whole stick of O-6s at a sunny locale in central Florida around that time.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:01 pm to HerkFlyer
My training/memory is 20 years old so hopefully still accurate, but I am referring to the last step in the picture on the first page of this post. Compared to the C130, the last step of the C17 seemed to be slightly outside the silhouette of the plane. This was discussed among the paratroopers and was something the Sr. Jumpmasters tried to prepare us for beforehand. The experience I recall was not feeling the wind draft for a split second longer out of the C17 compared to the C130.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:03 pm to HerkFlyer
quote:Last jump was in June 2009 at Sicily DZ from a UH-60. Our headquarters was doing a change of command and I was the DACO. Jumped last lift. Good times.
Also, just to confirm. You didn't jump from a 130 in early October of 2019 did you? I did a whole stick of O-6s at a sunny locale in central Florida around that time.
Considered asking if I could jump in permissive status with SOCOM (they are right across the bay from me) for my retirement in May but the decision has to go all the way up to the Army Reserve CG. Not interested in the hassle.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:05 pm to Wolfhound45
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Considered asking if I could jump in permissive status with SOCOM (they are right across the bay from me) for my retirement in May but the decision has to go all the way up to the Army Reserve CG. Not interested in the hassle.
Ah gotcha. I was dropping a bunch of guys from SOCOM on that trip I was talking about.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:06 pm to ComebackEllisHugh
Your memory is still pretty good. The difference between the two is that the C130 has no air deflector to give you a clean exit. It is built into the C17. That and the larger jump platform.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:09 pm to ComebackEllisHugh
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I am referring to the last step in the picture on the first page of this post.
Ok, just went back and looked at it. The 17 jump platforms look a lot different than ours. I had never noticed that until your post. The 130 has air deflector doors, but I've had more than one loadmaster tell me they don't do shite to push the air away from the para-troop doors. Interesting, thanks
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:10 pm to Wolfhound45
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The difference between the two is that the C130 has no air deflector to give you a clean exit
See my previous post. The 130 has air deflector doors, but I'm piecing together that they don't do much for jumpers.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:26 am to HerkFlyer
quote:You are correct my brother. But they are absolutely worthless. Whether you extend them or the loadmaster when he gives me the door (not sure of the mechanics of their operation), they have no effect on exit. Twisted risers is the result. You are kicking to untangle them for the first few seconds until they pop straight. Until you get that resolved you have no control over your canopy. Not a good feeling.
The 130 has air deflector doors...
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