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re: If Texas's central grid only relied on solar & wind energy, would anyone have electricity?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:40 am to Adam Banks
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:40 am to Adam Banks
I never made any one of those claims you just typed out. I’m very agnostic when it comes to which energy source we use. Again in this situation it did not matter—-they all shite the bed.
I know you guys get your morning hard ons from blaming greenies but that’s not the point here
I know you guys get your morning hard ons from blaming greenies but that’s not the point here
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:40 am to The_Duke
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I’m blaming the entire system for being unprepared.
No. You just said that this had nothing to do with renewable energy despite the obvious near complete collapse in output from wind turbines.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:41 am to dewster
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Ice storms are rare but not unheard of on the gulf coast. They can bulletproof their system a little better for this. And with what some are being charged for energy now, there will be an incentive to do so.
There will definitely be changes made and safeguards implemented. This has become such a political hot topic in Texas that it can’t be ignored this time.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:42 am to goofball
The system falling has nothing to do with renewables vs NG. That is not the root cause here. Once a formal RCA is performed and CAPAs are put in place they will have nothing to do with renewables and all to do with weather proofing the entire system and maybe even adding some regulations that ensures the integrity of the system
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:43 am to The_Duke
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The system falling due to renewables is not the root cause here
Glad you are evolving from renewables having nothing to do with this.
From your post earlier
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What happened here in Texas had nothing to do with renewables
Which is complete bullshite. Glad you realize that now.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:45 am to member12
Bingo! Wind went from big supplier (because of windy weather) to tiny supplier! It is unreliable! That is just a fact.
So, we perversely incentivized wind and solar, while we disadvantaged nuclear, oil and gas. When the chips are down, we had to go get the gas (some of which was off line because the solar and wind sources were “preferred” and some was offline due to COVID demand implications). It took a little while, but gas rallied.
We had really cold weather in Texas 30, 40, 50 years ago, and didn’t have this kind of debacle. You cannot make wind reliable - it won’t make power when the wind doesn’t blow AND it won’t make power when the wind blows too hard. Also, if it freezes up apparently.
So, we perversely incentivized wind and solar, while we disadvantaged nuclear, oil and gas. When the chips are down, we had to go get the gas (some of which was off line because the solar and wind sources were “preferred” and some was offline due to COVID demand implications). It took a little while, but gas rallied.
We had really cold weather in Texas 30, 40, 50 years ago, and didn’t have this kind of debacle. You cannot make wind reliable - it won’t make power when the wind doesn’t blow AND it won’t make power when the wind blows too hard. Also, if it freezes up apparently.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:45 am to goofball
Trust me—It’s not an evolution. Been saying the same shite for days on here. You guys just want to make it about renewables vs NG.
Texas shutting down had nothing to do with renewables.
Texas shutting down had nothing to do with renewables.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:47 am to The_Duke
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Texas shutting down had nothing to do with renewables
Oh and we are back to having our head in the sand.
Wind energy lost nearly all output. Nothing else fell off by 90+%. Just wind and solar. NG output fell also, but the above stance is completely inaccurate. It’s the stance of a political activist. Not a logical person.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:48 am to c on z
Wind turbines don’t work without wind, or with too much wind. And both situations occur, you just can’t control it.
I didn’t know they froze up, but now I know.
I didn’t know they froze up, but now I know.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:48 am to goofball
Omg jackass—-everything shut down. Wind, solar, nuclear, NG! What about this don’t you understand. It all froze— nothing was working. How hard is that to comprehend?
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:49 am to 76Forest
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Bingo! Wind went from big supplier (because of windy weather) to tiny supplier! It is unreliable! That is just a fact.
It’s not appropriate for base load generation. At least not how it’s set up in Texas.
And it definitely contributed to the major problems with the energy grid right now.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:49 am to 76Forest
Gas saved our butts. My gas log fireplace was a champ, as was my gas stove and gas water heater. Did not need electricity to enjoy those conveniences.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:50 am to The_Duke
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Omg jackass—-everything shite down. Wind, solar, nuclear, NG! What about this don’t you understand.
False. Natural gas is the bulk of the energy output in Texas. Even during the worst of the crisis, it never fell off like wind and solar.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:51 am to Chicken
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Gas saved our butts.
Amen.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:51 am to goofball
And wind and solar make up like 20% of the gird. Again it does not matter. They all shite the bed. The issue you guys are focusing on is not the root cause
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:52 am to The_Duke
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Omg jackass—-everything shut down. Wind, solar, nuclear, NG! What about this don’t you understand. It all froze— nothing was working.
Don’t take this the wrong way. But do you know how to read a standard graph and recognize tends?
The only thing that completely shut down was renewables. And this coincided with a reduction in energy output from NG and a spike in demand.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:53 am to RummelTiger
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Based on that graphic, it looks like it's still on top of all others...and always has been.
Nope
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Then again, I don't like that graph, so maybe I'm reading it incorrectly.
You are. The color is each items contribution. If there is a sliver of color it is less of the total.
For example on Feb 8 wind was the largest supplier, on the 11th it was almost at 0.
On the 8th of Feb total supply was ~40,000 megawatt hours which was supplying all everyone needed (the storm hadn't hit yet).
On the 15th of Feb total supply was ~70,000 megawatt hours and there were a lot of people without power.
Total supply went UP 30,000 megawatt hours with Nat Gas doing most of it, but because of the crazy cold temps it wasn't enough.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:54 am to The_Duke
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The issue you guys are focusing on is not the root cause
I understand the root cause. I am just not so political attached to solar or wind generators in Texas to dismiss them from their significant share of blame here like you are.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:54 am to c on z
They are designed to handle these types of situations. There are massive facilities in ND, Alberta, etc. that run in these conditions yearly. The problem is with the deregulation in Texas, owners were not required to winterize their systems. This meant that companies who were bankrolling the projects decided that they didn't need to splurge for winterization...just another corner to be cut to save money in the deregulated market.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:55 am to member12
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Don’t take this the wrong way. But do you know how to read a standard graph and recognize tends?
They clearly don’t.
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