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re: Reasons why Texas power grid failed:
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:22 pm to HighlyFavoredTiger
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:22 pm to HighlyFavoredTiger
HighlyFavored, YOU WIN!
This is the root cause of the problem today.
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The real problem with America’s energy grid and energy supply is government interference and intervention into a free market, supply and demand commodity. Our government has made it almost impossible to build, run and maintain any kind of reliable electric generation. If they had subsidized clean coal such as IGCC technology as much as they have wind and solar, Americans would be able to use the most abundant source of fuel we have in a environmentally cleaner way than in the past and have reliable electrical production nationwide, fueled by American fuel and free of foreign manipulation
This is the root cause of the problem today.
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Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:42 pm to roadtrash77
Road rash, its misleading to simply parrot the ERCOT line that gas failed too, even though some did, but gas-supplied power increased 450% as wind decreased 95%.
The Wall Street Journal has had numerous well informed articles on it this week, but look at Tuesday’s opinion piece, “A Deep Green Freeze”. It explains “Gas-fired power plants ramped up, but the Arctic freeze increased demand for gas across the country. Producers couldn’t easily increase supply since a third of rigs across the country were taken out of production during the pandemic amid lower energy demand.” Gas was called on to fill every shortage.
It’s complicated, but subsidies are a huge problem that will lead to more events like this - summer and winter.
The Wall Street Journal has had numerous well informed articles on it this week, but look at Tuesday’s opinion piece, “A Deep Green Freeze”. It explains “Gas-fired power plants ramped up, but the Arctic freeze increased demand for gas across the country. Producers couldn’t easily increase supply since a third of rigs across the country were taken out of production during the pandemic amid lower energy demand.” Gas was called on to fill every shortage.
It’s complicated, but subsidies are a huge problem that will lead to more events like this - summer and winter.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:50 pm to back9Tiger
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This raises the obvious question: can we ever rely on renewables to power the grid during extreme weather?
No, you need gas or nuclear.
You need gas, coal, and nuclear. Need all 3 to diversify fuels. If one fuel gets too high, then the other 2 offset the cost. Simple math and economics. Something liberals are allergic to.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 8:52 pm to back9Tiger
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Dan Crenshaw
Is a DOLT.
They will get to the bottom of nothing. Since the very onset of Bush's de-reg in Texas, Texas has been living on the verge of an event just like this happening. If you don't have the capability to store energy and you don't use all you make, you lose it.
Power producers don't care if you're cold. They care about making the most money they can with the least amount of work and loss.
Still better than the government who takes or prints money they have NO right to.
Coal/lignite and nuclear with a sprinkle of wind/solar should be the base. Gas plants can be brought online very quickly and should be used for emergancy situations or when the base is taken off line for maintenance.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 9:33 pm to cave canem
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Actually now that I have had a chance to ponder a bit on this it is apparently the DNC's fault this cold wave has hit in the first place, after all they shut down the nations largest source of hot air in November.
The only people that blame weather events on people are democrats.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 11:10 pm to back9Tiger
I think this is Texas fault for installing shitty wind turbines. North Dakota, Minnesota, and Iowa get weather like this for half the year and they have lots of wind turbines with no issues.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 11:44 pm to cave canem
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Bottom line, private companies do not like to carry spare capacity just in case you need it as that is expensive and financial decisions based on this led to a shortfall. This is the downside to deregulation and a "free market", it is what it is.
Would you admit there are downsides to government control?
I’ll take 3 days without power every 25 years rathe than give up all control to the government.
Posted on 2/20/21 at 12:06 am to back9Tiger
ERCOT data shows that the state Solar panels are down to 7% in the cold and Wind turbines are down to 14% as well.
Also, did any of you realize the push by major investors in oil and gas companies are pushing them to be greener such as using electric motors instead of natural gas engines anywhere they can and even better if fed by alternative energy electricity.
This woke and environmental foolish crap is for dullards
Also, did any of you realize the push by major investors in oil and gas companies are pushing them to be greener such as using electric motors instead of natural gas engines anywhere they can and even better if fed by alternative energy electricity.
This woke and environmental foolish crap is for dullards
Posted on 2/20/21 at 6:46 am to back9Tiger
Correctly picking winners and losers has never been the government's forte.
Posted on 2/20/21 at 6:57 am to lockthevaught
They built windmills for the environment they have 99% of the time. This a a stupid and lazy argument and if you knew a shred of what you’re talking about, you wouldn’t say it.
Last time something like this came close was 1989. Do the math genius.
Last time something like this came close was 1989. Do the math genius.
Posted on 2/20/21 at 7:01 am to back9Tiger
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They built windmills for the environment they have 99% of the time. This a a stupid and lazy argument and if you knew a shred of what you’re talking about, you wouldn’t say it.
All it takes is for it to fail when the 1% happens to cripple a state and devastate its economy.
Posted on 2/20/21 at 9:12 am to back9Tiger
No. Texas decision makers went cheap and didn't purchase the heaters for the windmills.
It doesn't take a genius to go pick up a farmers almanac or go to Google to figure out that Texas/the South have had major ice storms and sub zero temps in the past. Any documented event within the last 100 years should be enough to prove that this will happen again. We've seen longer/colder winter storms in the past. This was not a once in a century event. We've had numerous ice storms and sub zero temps that were way more extreme than what we saw this week. Most of the extreme cold temps this week were not record breaking.
Greedy Texas tycoons took a risk, gambled, and got bent over and fricked by mother nature. Either that or they were just in complete ignorance and never looked at historical climate data.
It doesn't take a genius to go pick up a farmers almanac or go to Google to figure out that Texas/the South have had major ice storms and sub zero temps in the past. Any documented event within the last 100 years should be enough to prove that this will happen again. We've seen longer/colder winter storms in the past. This was not a once in a century event. We've had numerous ice storms and sub zero temps that were way more extreme than what we saw this week. Most of the extreme cold temps this week were not record breaking.
Greedy Texas tycoons took a risk, gambled, and got bent over and fricked by mother nature. Either that or they were just in complete ignorance and never looked at historical climate data.
This post was edited on 2/20/21 at 9:15 am
Posted on 2/20/21 at 9:18 am to back9Tiger
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99% of the time.
99% percent of the time I don't need 4 wheel drive.....but I purchased it anyways on my vehicle. It sure as frick came in handy this week.
Posted on 2/20/21 at 9:23 am to GoldenGuy
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BuT tHeY cAn JuSt Be WiNtErIzEd! WiNd PoWeR wOrKs In AnTaRtIcA!!!
There is no danger using them in antartica.
from the Trump Twitter Archive V2:
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Output from industrial wind turbines declines by nearly *50%* (!) over 10 years - Cost of taking down old wind turbines
Wind turbines are death to environment.
Obama's wind turbines kill “13-39 million birds and bats every year!” https://t.co/33vZUrkKu2 Save our bald eagles, symbol of our nation!
Isn't it ironic that China is going all in nuclear for energy while at the same time making wind turbines for others
Wind turbines kill up to 39 million birds a year, Industry hides evidence of kills https://t.co/OdBS3Sr7xJ"
Turbines will also kill more birds than developer will admit to & ruin lives of folks living close & not reduce CO2
We should look to China where big time pollution takes place as they manufacture inefficient and costly wind turbines for Scotland!
Spain's government is closing down wind turbines--- the maintenance is higher than the income.
Wind turbines are totally destroying the areas in which they are located—all for unreliable, bad & expensive energy!
Yesterday Barack Obama said he wants "wind turbines manufactured here in China" https://youtu.be/PuVOBSwNWbE I don't think this was a gaffe.
Nobody wants wind turbines, they are failing all over the world and need massive subsidy--a disaster for taxpayers.
https://www.thetrumparchive.com/?results=1&searchbox=%22turbines%22
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Great article on wind turbines by Robert Bryce in @NYPost
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Gov. Cuomo last month ordered state officials to study the health effects of hydraulic fracturing — and so continued to prevent drillers from exploiting the Marcellus Shale. But if he’s truly interested in public health, the governor must also put a freeze on wind-energy projects in New York until their health impact can be gauged.
After all, residents across rural New York — indeed, country-dwellers around the world — are waging bitter fights against industrial-scale wind projects, and one of their main concerns is the health effects of the audible and inaudible noise created by large wind turbines.
To date, the state has assumed that oil and gas drilling is “guilty (dirty) until proven innocent” but wind-energy development is “clean.” Indeed, if New York is to meet its renewable-energy target — to obtain 30 percent of all electricity from renewables by 2015 — several thousand new wind turbines will be needed.
https://nypost.com/2012/10/17/against-the-wind/
Posted on 2/20/21 at 9:32 am to Ailsa
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A wind turbine comes to the end of its lifecycle after about 20-25 years. It is estimated that in the USA there will be more than 720,000 tons of blade material to get rid of over the next two decades. This amount is roughly 8,000 blades a year over the next four years. In Europe there will be around 3,800 blades coming down annually through 2022. The problem is only going to get worse and the issue is of great concern.
These blades are hundreds of feet long and super durable. They can’t be easily crushed or re-purposed. Most of them have to be cut on-site into at least three parts, and even then, they are a hassle to transport.
https://www.intelligentliving.co/what-happens-to-old-wind-turbines-the-answers-not-so-eco-friendly/
A wind turbine comes to the end of its lifecycle after about 20-25 years. It is estimated that in the USA there will be more than 720,000 tons of blade material to get rid of over the next two decades. This amount is roughly 8,000 blades a year over the next four years. In Europe there will be around 3,800 blades coming down annually through 2022. The problem is only going to get worse and the issue is of great concern.
These blades are hundreds of feet long and super durable. They can’t be easily crushed or re-purposed. Most of them have to be cut on-site into at least three parts, and even then, they are a hassle to transport.
https://www.intelligentliving.co/what-happens-to-old-wind-turbines-the-answers-not-so-eco-friendly/
Posted on 2/20/21 at 3:43 pm to biglego
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The real problem with nuclear as I understand it is what to do with the waste?
It can be reprocessed, the French have been doing it for decades.
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Also it sounds like the nuclear plants failed too.
The nuclear technology has advanced miles since Three Mile Island. I think TMI was a first generation NP plant.
We are now at the third generation NP, Westinghouse is building them world-wide.
Research on Generation IV NP has been underway for several years now.
There are several promising designs that are being worked right now.
Even the dorking looking Bill Gates is in the NP act.
American are just now starting to wake up to the shallow prospects of 'green energy'.
A major event like this has gotten people to re-examine our short, mid, and long-term energy policies.
Commie-fornia governor Gavie Newsom(Nancy Pelosi's nephew) is most likely going to get recalled.
LNG(liquid natural gas) powered plants are the way to go in the foreseeable future.
This so-called 'green energy' has it place in some instances and a few places.
Nuclear power will be the power source for the future.
Posted on 2/20/21 at 4:27 pm to back9Tiger
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- Frozen Wind Turbines: West Texas had wind turbines that had to be de-iced. The little energy that power regulators planned on being supplied from wind was now gone. We have almost 31GW of wind installed on the grid, but on Monday we couldn’t even depend on 6 GW working. To make matters worse, existing storage of wind energy in batteries was also gone, because batteries were losing 60% of their energy in the cold. Bottom line: renewables don’t work well in extreme weather. Never will. This is what happens when you force the grid to rely in part on wind as a power source. When weather conditions get bad as they did this week, intermittent renewable energy like wind isn’t there when you need it. LINK /
Piss. Poor. Planning.
Do we not have weather reports? Does Texas not have an energy department?
Do your fricking job. Don’t blame wind turbines for the state doing a shitty job of executing contingencies.
This post was edited on 2/20/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 2/20/21 at 4:33 pm to back9Tiger
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Pipelines in Texas don’t use cold insulation – so they froze. Every natural gas plant stayed online. The “downed” plants were due to scheduled maintenance.
Sooo they went cheap AF on the build and when nature happened it was the wind turbines’ fault?
Posted on 2/20/21 at 4:38 pm to back9Tiger
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Why don’t we have extra gas power when we need it most? Because years of federal subsidies for wind has caused an over reliance on wind and an under-investment in new gas and nuclear plants. Bottom line: fossil fuels are the only thing that saved us. They are *base load* energy.
So you’re saying renewable energy was the blame for the state choosing to limit their operational capabilities?
So if my wife and I have 2 shitty cars and we sell those to buy a brand new SUV; can I then blame the new SUV because we sold 2 cars to buy one? Stupid AF.
Finally, all the information on solar, wind, etc technology is out there she has been for a long time. Water pipes freeze in cold weather too, so we just aren’t going to use water pipes anymore now too? It’s not the resource generation tool’s fault for the state doing a dog shite job of planning out of either pure stupidity or laziness.
Posted on 2/20/21 at 4:44 pm to back9Tiger
Bottom line: renewables don’t work well in extreme weather
Iowa says hello!!! i think they get 42 percent from wind...i think it is cold there...
Norway says hi also...
we use low cost providers that keep their cost down...not really their fault...if they spent more on their infrastructure and winterizing we wouldnot be using them...
we want to be an energy island but did not plan for worst case options...
Iowa says hello!!! i think they get 42 percent from wind...i think it is cold there...
Norway says hi also...
we use low cost providers that keep their cost down...not really their fault...if they spent more on their infrastructure and winterizing we wouldnot be using them...
we want to be an energy island but did not plan for worst case options...
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