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re: Ethiopian church that houses the Ark of the Covenant attacked
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:20 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:20 am to Roger Klarvin
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Literally everything being discussed in this thread is make believe
You addressed your comments to the OP. Which part do you deny? Do you deny that 750 people were killed or that the church is said to house the ark?
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:29 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:He said that he had seen replica arks at other Ethiopian churches, and that the one here didn't differ from them in any way whatsoever. He spent many years in Ethiopia and had seen many others, and he never wrote about it because he lived among them.
I was thinking there was going to be more here than simply some guy from the 1940s who purportedly saw this thing and said, "nah, that's not it."
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"It would have been absolutely impossible for him to function in Ethiopia if he had said that your ark is not the genuine ark," Parfitt explained. In his interview with the Los Angeles Times in 1992, Ullendorff said that the model he saw was of "middle-to late-medieval construction, when these were fabricated ad hoc."
Parfitt said that Ullendorff was concerned after he gave the interview and hoped that Ethiopian authorities did not become aware of the Los Angeles Times article. As far as Parfitt knows, Ullendorff never spoke to a reporter again about what he saw.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:30 am to ShoeBang
Indeed, as the first covenant was given by the false Demiurge creator. The bastard child of Sophia that created this utterly flawed material realm.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:33 am to BiteMe2020
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Rony Wyatt is suspect.
I'm neither arguing for or against him or his archeological accomplishments. His is an interesting story however. Anyone with a close reading of the Bible could fabricate elements of his story. However noting the space on the Mercy Seat where no animal blood could be applied and claiming that reserved space was puddled with the blood of the crucified Jesus, the pristine Lamb of God is an amazing take and is quite the good story.
Likewise, the rejuvenation of millennia old blood revealing unusual chromosomal qualities is also intriguing. If a hoax, it's rather inventive, if accurate it's overwhelming. It's not critical to me either way.
Christian faith isn't anchored in the Shroud, Noah's Ark, or the Ark of the Covenant. Any reasonable person can read the Bible, do some investigation into the New Testament to determine its reliability, and look at some Biblical archeology and find more than enough "evidence" to support a rational faith in a living resurrected Jesus Christ.
People choose to reject Christ for many reasons. Usually it seems people simply refuse to confront their sins and turn away from them.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:34 am to DeathToTheDemiurge
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Indeed, as the first covenant was given to the false Demiurge creator. The bastard child of Sophia that created this utterly flawed material realm.
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DeathToTheDemiurge
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:35 am to blueboy
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He said that he had seen replica arks at other Ethiopian churches, and that the one here didn't differ from them in any way whatsoever. He spent many years in Ethiopia and had seen many others, and he never wrote about it because he lived among them.
Right, I read all that. I just thought there would be more here for this "iron clad evidence" of it being a "fake" like carbon dating or something. I mean, wouldn't it make sense that the replicas IN EHTIOPIA would resemble this object?
For the record I make no claim and have no "belief" about the veracity of this object as the "true Ark" either way. I'm just not sure this is the clear refutation of it you were purporting it to be. Sure, it's something, though I guess.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:49 am to ThinePreparedAni
That’s not the real ark. Ron Wyatt found it already but no one is allowed down into the cave to retrieve it. 6 people have tried to illegally retrieve it and they died and Ron had to go pull them out. Ron is dead now but he said it’s not Gods will that it be revealed to the public at this time. He said the Ten Commandments were inside and that they will not be revealed until sometime during the tribulation.
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:00 pm to FlexDawg
Well, when someone digs the damn thing up, then we’ll know the truth.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:01 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:They didn't have carbon dating during WW2. Also, Ullendorff was a Professor of Ethiopian Studies at the University of London, not some random soldier. He knew they were all constructed at the same time, and that none of them were ancient.
Right, I read all that. I just thought there would be more here for this "iron clad evidence" of it being a "fake" like carbon dating or something. I mean, wouldn't it make sense that the replicas IN EHTIOPIA would resemble this object?
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“They have a wooden box, but it’s empty,” he says. “Middle- to late-medieval construction, when these were fabricated ad hoc.” The mystery around it is “mostly to maintain the idea that it’s a venerated object.”
quote:Don't guess, fig. Know. Know.
I guess
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:05 pm to blueboy
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The mystery around it is “mostly to maintain the idea that it’s a venerated object.”
To me, this is actually sort of the best "refutation" evidence here.
I'm not sure what all your other nonsense is about.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:11 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:That's an interesting distinction. What is the Judeo-Christian concept of God? Is the "Judeo" concept of God logically the same as the Christian concept of God?
Their concept of "god" is not logically the same as the Judeo-Christian concept of "god" at all.
The Christian concept of God is based on the Trinity, the Triune God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - each as a distinct "person", and each being God - one God subsisting in three persons.
Everything I just said about Christianity vis-a-vis the Trinity is considered shituf in Judaism. That is to say, they regard Christianity and the Trinity as not purely monotheistic. Shituf is essentially a euphemism for idolatry, which is how many Jews view Christianity. Unlike the Christian God, the God of Judaism is considered a single entity, and Judaism expressly rejects any notion of the Trinity.
Given that, I'm not entirely sure what people mean when they use the term Judeo-Christian.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:15 pm to BiteMe2020
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Their concept of "god" is not logically the same as the Judeo-Christian concept of "god" at all.
Why not?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:16 pm to Pecker
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Given that, I'm not entirely sure what people mean when they use the term Judeo-Christian.
Because it's somewhat of a relatively new term in its usage, which attempts to equate two things that were very distinct in the West.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Yep. The term, as we understand it today, is less than 100 years old. It appears to be a term created for social/political purposes.
Because it's somewhat of a relatively new term in its usage, which attempts to equate two things that were very distinct in the West.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:31 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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The kingdom of Aksum was one of the four great powers of the ancient world
This was the greatest extent of Aksum (styled here as Axum) I could find, and it's well past the ancient era (obvious since Rome already split; this is 400 AD). They were even smaller before then, and didn't exist at all in the "true" ancient times, as in Athens vs. Sparta and before and all that.
So I'm gonna call BS on it ever being one of the top 4 of anything ever.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:34 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Why not?
As an easy answer, the god of Islam is whimsical, being both the truth and the "greatest of deceivers". Something a Jew or Christian would never claim.
There are more logical answers, but the characteristics of the Judeo-Christian God and Allah are not the same. They're mutually exclusive.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:38 pm to BiteMe2020
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As an easy answer, the god of Islam is whimsical, being both the truth and the "greatest of deceivers". Something a Jew or Christian would never claim.
There are more logical answers, but the characteristics of the Judeo-Christian God and Allah are not the same. They're mutually exclusive.
OK. I don't know that I fully agree, but that's fine. Delve down into the "Judeo-Christian God". Are there no differences between the Jewish and Christian concepts of God?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:42 pm to Microtiger
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Everything I just said about Christianity vis-a-vis the Trinity is considered shituf in Judaism. That is to say, they regard Christianity and the Trinity as not purely monotheistic. Shituf is essentially a euphemism for idolatry, which is what Christianity is considered to be many Jews. The Hebrew God is regarded as a single entity, and Judaism expressly rejects any notion of the Trinity.
It's very difficult for Jews to believe in the Trinity when they don't believe that Christ was the son of God ...It's an obvious observance
Judeo is the starting point of Christianity. Being that origin makes the connection between Jewish religion and the emergence of the Christian faith.
There is an oddity that I find interesting. If you were alive at the time ...you would have awakened to learn that the tomb was empty and Christ had risen. In fact Christ was seen multiple times afterward. The city had to be inundated with the news ....Hence the term "Shout it from the rooftops" The city saw the evening meal traditionally eaten on the rooftops of their homes. News was told and shouted from the rooftops every evening.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:47 pm to Mo Jeaux
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OK. I don't know that I fully agree, but that's fine. Delve down into the "Judeo-Christian God". Are there no differences between the Jewish and Christian concepts of God?
Muslims claim Allah can lie. Jews and Christians reject that concept.
"But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30"
Between Jews and Christians, I suspect the concept of the Trinity is the largest difference there, as far as the concept of God is concerned.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:50 pm to BiteMe2020
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Muslims claim Allah can lie. Jews and Christians reject that concept.
"But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30"
Eh, those verses seem to be trying to show how great God's power is, and how those who go against him have no hope in overcoming that power.
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Between Jews and Christians, I suspect the concept of the Trinity is the largest difference there, as far as the concept of God is concerned.
That's a pretty big difference, no? You're hung up on the God lying thing when it comes to Islam, but the trinity is actually speaking to the very nature of God.
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