re: What is your definition of socialism? And why or why not is it an effective system?

The United States has become a victim of its own success. The capitalist system here has built the highest standard of living the world has ever seen. However, at the same time we have ever more growing dumb and lazy population that can vote. They are warped by the narrative that if they don't have what their neighbor has it was because they were discriminated against in some way. As others have said, the dumb will vote themselves into power and destroy the whole system, its already happening.

When I was in middle school the groups of kids were split into three classes, college prep, middle, and low. Socialism would be like taking everyone's test scores and averaging them out and giving everyone the same grade.

The word tenets by itself?

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Contrary to your assumption, I’m an independent

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Leftist here. I’m a long-time lurker, but I like to learn more about the perspective on the opposite aisle.

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Which is it?

Are you a leftist on the opposite aisle as those who recognize the danger, destruction, and oppression of socialism or are you an independent?

Regardless of your answer to that one, I feel confident that you're not as independent as you like to think you are.

What I’m saying is I don’t think the top 5% should even have to pay 60% of the bill. If the bottom 90 percent of families hold less than one-quarter of all wealth, its no wonder tax rates are so progressive.



If wealth inequality is so large that it comes to that, there’s problems that exist in society outside of taxes. Considering the top %1 holds %40 of the wealth and have around %43 of the tax burden sound somewhat fair to me. Couple that with the fact that the top %1 benefit the most from government investments and subsidiaries, its no surprise that they would have a heavier burden. That said, I think the glaring wealth inequality is the much larger issue and progressive taxes is like putting a lousy bandaid on it.

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Leftist here. I’m a long-time lurker, but I like to learn more about the perspective on the opposite aisle.

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Forget socialism. What you are already seeing is communism. Silencing those who disagree with you is communism. Only telling the side you want people to hear, but hide the other side is what Germany did in the 1930's. A few years later they started the concentration camps.
People on the MSM are already saying they need to put people in camps. The lack of knowledge of history by the left is mind-blowing. The MSM are the fascists. Fascists want to silence the truth and their opponents, and put people in brain washing camps. They consider disagreeing as an act of intolerance when the definition of intolerance is silencing the free speech of others.
Dems falsely claimed Trump colluded with Rushia. Everyone tolerated their bad information.
This time repubs claim the election was stolen, and witnesses have signed affidavits declaring election crimes occurred. The MSM claims there was no fraud, but the claimed Trump colluded with Rushia when not one person signed one affidavit declaring they witnessed the supposed collusion. They are hypocrites.

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I mean I don’t affiliate with either party. I’m a leftist because I lean left politically, but I’m not a registered Democrat because I abhor the idea of political parties.

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Same here, but they only understand tribal politics, because only one thing is important to them and it's that the GOP wins, regardless of the cost.

Not definitions, but some compelling quotes by a hero of freedom.

Socialism of any type leads to a total destruction of the human spirit... - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I hope that no one present will suspect me of offering my personal criticism of the Western system to present socialism as an alternative. Having experienced applied socialism in a country where the alternative has been realized, I certainly will not speak for it. The well-known Soviet mathematician Shafarevich, a member of the Soviet Academy of Science, has written a brilliant book under the title Socialism; it is a profound analysis showing that socialism of any type and shade leads to a total destruction of the human spirit and to a leveling of mankind into death. - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Communist propaganda would sometimes include statements such as "we include almost all the commandments of the Gospel in our ideology". The difference is that the Gospel asks all this to be achieved through love, through self-limitation, but socialism only uses coercion. This is one point. - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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I could post a long list of reputable sources, but unless it's a dubious source like, say Breitbart, you guys just cover your ears. Fact is that even most Republican politicians acknowledge these things today, but you guys continue to pretend that it's heresy.

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You don’t have to post a long list of sources. I’ve read the actual documents themselves. You should to. It’s amazing how the healthcare ranking system was designed with an agenda in mind.

They prioritize things like infant mortality rate where we classify things differently than other nations. For instance, if a baby is born premature at 20 weeks and we go to heroic lengths and spend millions of dollars. It dies at 6 months old, that’s an infant death. Whereas in some of these countries if a baby is born and dies within a certain amount of time it can be classified as a “stillborn” and doesn’t count against the infant death total. That’s a huge part of the ranking.

Another part of their ranking equation is “access to care” where they go into a whole woke diatribe about other races not having equal access to care. They mark us very low in that category, but a country like Zimbabwe can have hospitals with no running water, as long as everyone can get into those shitty hospitals they rank higher than us.

And lastly, they intentionally leave out data points like advancements in cancer treatment and pharma/device innovation because we would be number 1.

It’s all a sham. It’s not comparing apples to apples. They decided what they wanted the outcome to be then figured out the equation to get them there.

Go read it yourself. I’m not telling you to go to a specific source.

Also read the gulag archipelago