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re: Why was Tom Herman unable to get Texas back on track?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 10:34 am to Gatorbait2008
Posted on 1/4/21 at 10:34 am to Gatorbait2008
The main culture I remember him setting was having piss tests for everyone to check hydration (urine color chart) and effectively telling players to narc out their teammates for not being hydrated enough.
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Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:13 am to CatfishJohn
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Texas is a miserable place to coach I think. Herman is a good coach, but his personality didn't mesh with the boosters, just like Charlie Strong.
His personality didn't mesh with anyone because he's an arrogant prick - boosters don't like him, players (some) hate him, his AD doesn't like him. Bru McCoy - 5 star WR from SoCal - spurns USC to come to Texas and then portals back because Herman was such an arse to him. Entitled kid? Maybe so but I don't blame him for leaving. Herman is the ultimate fake tough guy. He often canceled meetings with his AD (and president) simply because he didn't feel like meeting.
People actually liked Charlie Strong a lot, but he had 3 straight losing seasons. Can't do that. The only reason Herman got year 4 WAS because he had put together a decent won loss record.
And bottom line, Herman didn't win enough games. Losing to teams like TCU and Maryland, which clearly have inferior "raw" talent, won't fly. No ranked team has lost to unranked teams more than Texas under Herman...ever.
While the recruiting classes ranked pretty well, the WR and OL recruiting was abysmal and the 2022 class was tanking like hell. Current players (at least one we know of) were telling recruits and grad transfers not to come to Texas.
But to answer the subject question - he was unable to get Texas back on track because his arrogance did not allow him to change what needed to change.
And by back on track I don't mean go to the CFP every year he was here - but in 4 years, 1 Big12 title appearance.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:39 am to KosmoCramer
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Sam Ehlinger
Not enough of an excuse. LSU has done a lot with much worse QBs.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:44 am to OrangeBlood
Texas is not the program you think they are.......
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:44 am to I-59 Tiger
people need to come to the realization that what tom did at UT is probably what the vast majority of people would do and what mack accomplished up until 2009 shouldnt be viewed as "what should happen" but more as "what can happen"
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:46 am to go ta hell ole miss
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I am most certain the new UT wanting to be the Berkeley if the South has nothing to do with it. Masculinity for men is offensive and masculinity for women is praised. That’s all well and good, but it doesn’t make for a good football program.
The only people that want Texas to have a football team are the older alumni. They will not be relevant again for a long time, if ever.
While Austin has certainly become a very progressive city, UT is filled with legacy students who bleed that nasty orange color. It is still Texas where football is still king.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:46 am to WestCoastAg
I don’t see Texas winning titles anytime soon but if Herman is about what they can realistically expect, they have issues.
Herman repeatedly shitting the bed against lesser competition like Maryland is a major problem.
Herman repeatedly shitting the bed against lesser competition like Maryland is a major problem.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:46 am to dukke v
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Texas is not the program you think they are.......
I'm quite realistic about the program that it is...but do tell.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:48 am to I-59 Tiger
I mean he did win a Sugar Bowl. It’s mainly he had to deal with the faults of Charlie Strong, even though he inherited a few good players a lot of them hated Herman. He also really messed up hiring Todd Orlando as his DC. Should’ve went and got the best person available. But hindsight is 2020. I really think Sark will do no worse and has the potential to do better. But it will prob be the same 9-4 seasons as before.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:52 am to LSUGrrrl
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It is still Texas where football is still king.
But where physical defensive football is NOT king. Why do you think the majority of Fisher's defensive recruits are from out of state?
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:58 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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But where physical defensive football is NOT king. Why do you think the majority of Fisher's defensive recruits are from out of state?
I don't follow Aggie recruiting so that very well might be right, but it looks like out of the 16 "starters" (taking into account the "ors") on the defense, all but 4 are from Texas. Couple DC guys, 1 LA guy, maybe 1 guy from somewhere else?
I think that finding good DLs is harder in Texas, but Leal (I realize he's a DE) is pretty good. So is Brown. So is Keondre Coburn.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:59 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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But where physical defensive football is NOT king. Why do you think the majority of Fisher's defensive recruits are from out of state?
Thoughts on that?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:04 pm to OrangeBlood
quote:who was the player?
Current players (at least one we know of) were telling recruits and grad transfers not to come to Texas.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:05 pm to Chicken
Ehlenger seems like an easy bet.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:06 pm to LSUGrrrl
i mean its not entirely accurate. we are loading up on in state front 7 kids this year. we have like 4. we absolutely went out of state for DBs but thats largely because this was a weaker year for those than normal and even then we still took deuce harmon
i wouldnt read much into that imo
i wouldnt read much into that imo
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:06 pm to I-59 Tiger
Hes an unlikable prick. They hated him, hes disingenuine douche.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:07 pm to redfish99
That’s underselling him.
He is a genuine douche.
He is a genuine douche.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:08 pm to Chicken
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who was the player?
Rumored to be a DB. Fairly good player - earlier in the year he was much involved with some of the outside stuff going on (protests etc.). I'm not going to name him but you can probably figure it out. Again, no idea if it is 100% true but I do believe it (and reported on Austin radio this morning, not just message board stuff...not the guy's name, just "a player or two").
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:09 pm to OrangeBlood
caden sterns lmao
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:09 pm to teke184
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Ehlenger seems like an easy bet.
Absolutely, 100% no.
I don't think Sam likes Herman, but he would not do that.
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