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re: RPO rate by QB
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:02 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:02 pm to SammyTiger
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People like to ignore the run aspect of the RPO but it’s just as importantly
The idea is that you’re creating gap confusions
Usually it’s a linebacker who either has to cover the B gap or cover the WR. If he drops into coverage you now have a defender abandoning his gap. So the play is equally beneficial to the run game.
Exactly. The meta concept is the same as any other option. Veer, Speed Option, Zone Read the intention is the same. Force a defender into a situation where he’s wrong no matter what he does
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Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:06 pm to ibleedprplngld
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But there are other, pre-snap reads they could be looking for. It's specific to each play.
Yes your pre-snap reads should tell you what defender you are wanting to attack. But after the snap it’s the same concept as any other option play. If it’s there you pull the ball and throw. If it’s not you let the running back take it. It’s incredibly simple post snap.
Btw I’m not arguing here I’m pretty sure we’re agreeing here. Just a fun concept to talk about.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:27 pm to CottonWasKing
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Goes to show even more that half of this board doesn’t know what an RPO is.
I’ve seen it posted over and over that Ensminger wasn’t calling RPO’s like we did last year. Low and behold we’ve been running them at a higher rate.
Thats what I said yesterday. Apparently the rant thinks all QB keeps are read options.
Look at the WR's. If they were in pass routes it was an RPO.
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Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:35 pm to Lsu71881
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Brennan is no threat to run
Haven’t we had this same RPO discussion about 5,000 times in the last two days?
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:49 pm to P bean
So you agree with that article that on an RPO, there is no fake to the RB? 
Why are you linking such a shite article
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT AN RPO IS!!!!
Why are you linking such a shite article
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT AN RPO IS!!!!
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:50 pm to P bean
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Look at the WR's. If they were in pass routes it was an RPO.
As stated above, if the QB is running out of an actual called RPO, then it’s either a bust or a gadget play. If the passing lane is open, the ball is pulled and thrown. If the defense commits to the pass, the QB hands the ball off. If the QB still has the ball in his hands and the throw isn’t open, he likely blew the read or bobbled the ball and has to either check down fast or bail. That is probably the reason a QB runs from an RPO play that you aren’t confusing for a read option.
It’s not like you can’t have a designed QB run out of an RPO look, but it’s going to be very rare because it’s a longer developing play. It’s the same as a draw or a counter. Delay and misdirection plays like that will confuse an aggressive defense a few times, but they will eventually figure you out and shut it down.
Oh, and since you were convinced we ran a million RPOs last year, just check the OP’s stats from this year and last year. They aren’t in your favor.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:54 pm to Lester Earl
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So you agree with that article that on an RPO, there is no fake to the RB?
To be fair, that article is talking about RPO’s in the NFL - where linemen can only go 1 yard downfield on a pass.
I don’t proclaim to be an expert in how NFL teams run RPO’s, but I’d imagine it’s at least a little different in order to make sure the ball gets out VERY quickly on the pass.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:59 pm to Lester Earl
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So you agree with that article that on an RPO, there is no fake to the RB?
Why are you linking such a shite article
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT AN RPO IS!!!!
LOL its only one of many articles I've linked, all of which say that you look at WR's and whether they are in routes or not to know if it was an RPO or a zone read.
Apparently all those articles are wrong to Lester Earl.
LOL!
:lol:Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:00 pm to P bean
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So you agree with that article that on an RPO, there is no fake to the RB?
Answer please
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:02 pm to P bean
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all of which say that you look at WR's and whether they are in routes or not to know if it was an RPO or a zone read.
Find me a play in the game where Finley runs the ball on an RPO where the WRs are running routes.
Give me time & Quarter. I have the game on right now
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:02 pm to P bean
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LOL its only one of many articles I've linked, all of which say that you look at WR's and whether they are in routes or not to know if it was an RPO or a zone read.
Apparently all those articles are wrong to Lester Earl.
You don’t know what an RPO is and what’s worse is you refuse to learn
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:06 pm to CottonWasKing
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You don’t know what an RPO is and what’s worse is you refuse to learn
Pot calling the kettle black.
You think all QB keeps are zone reads regardless of what the WR's are doing. Hmmmmmm who wont learn again now?
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:08 pm to misey94
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As stated above, if the QB is running out of an actual called RPO, then it’s either a bust or a gadget play.
Just to play devil’s advocate again, there are RPO’s where the run option is a designed QB draw. I don’t know that I would categorize those as gadget plays. It’s not as common as the inside/outside zone RPO’s but it’s not unheard of either.
But it’s also not a triple option as that other guy seems to keep suggesting.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:08 pm to Lester Earl
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Answer please
I did. You look at the WR's like ALL the articles Ive linked say.
You can use google on your OWN.
Well, I'll help.
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What is the RPO?
For clarity’s sake, here’s a quick breakdown of the three most confused acts of tricky used by NFL offenses:
Read-Option: Popularized by RGIII, the read-option is running play in which the QB decides whether to hand the ball off to his running back or keep the ball himself on a run.
The Play Action Pass: A passing play that fakes a handoff before the passer sets up to throw. There is no actual run option involved since it’s a pass play all the way.
The Run-Pass Option: The QB has the option to hand the ball off, throw the ball, or even keep it himself.
As you can see, the aptly named “run-pass option” incorporates an element of passing in its trickery. The standard read-option does not. And the play-action has no real option at all since it’s a called pass from the start.
In order to properly execute an RPO all parts of the offense must work together in harmony. And it all starts with the big guys up front.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:09 pm to lostinbr
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Just to play devil’s advocate again, there are RPO’s where the run option is a designed QB draw. I don’t know that I would categorize those as gadget plays. It’s not as common as the inside/outside zone RPO’s but it’s not unheard of either.
They aren’t any more common in a single game than a draw or counter. Teams don’t rely on such plays for anything more than a change of pace. If you see more, it’s because the QB is blowing reads. That, it the defender baited the QB into pulling and the QB figured it out before throwing a pick.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:10 pm to lostinbr
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Just to play devil’s advocate again, there are RPO’s where the run option is a designed QB draw.
Is that really what we’re talking about though?
If there isn’t an option to the back are you creating gap conflict? How does a QB draw bring the Defenders up to get the WR free?
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:10 pm to P bean
I don’t need to google. I know what the plays are
You don’t know the difference between a zone read & RPO & it’s hilarious
You don’t know the difference between a zone read & RPO & it’s hilarious
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:12 pm to P bean
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You think all QB keeps are zone reads regardless of what the WR's are doing. Hmmmmmm who wont learn again now?
I’ve seen receivers running clear out routes on fricking dives. I don’t care what the receivers are doing. You watch the line.
Did they leave a lineman unblocked and exploited his decision? Zone read.
Did they block all the lineman and the qb kept it after the mesh? Designed QB run to certain gap or zone.
Did they pass block all linemen and then throw the ball after the mesh? Play action.
Did they run block and then throw while putting stress on a particular defenders decision after the mesh? RPO
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:12 pm to P bean
You link an article saying there is no ball fake on an RPO
Then show TJ Finley running 6 RPOs where he fakes run to the RB lmao
Then show TJ Finley running 6 RPOs where he fakes run to the RB lmao
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:13 pm to Lester Earl
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I believe the links prove that its YOU who doesnt know the difference between an RPO and zone read.
And its HILARIOUS
I believe the links prove that its YOU who doesnt know the difference between an RPO and zone read.
And its HILARIOUS
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