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Windhorst's Hoop Collective podcast discusses Jrue Holiday trades
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:06 am
On the latest Hoops collective they talk about trades for Paul, Oladipo, Beal, and Holiday.
They made it clear they were not breaking news at all. They talked to agents and executives just to get a gauge on if guys get moved what perceived value could be and what teams would be sniffing for each guy.
Windhorst says he is not convinced the Pelicans will move him, but that it is an option because of the contract etc. (duh)
Windhorst thinks he would be VERY valuable, and the guys specifically discussed:
The Nets: Levert, Prince, "young guy" not named Allen, Philly 2020 1st for JJ and Jrue...two of the guys said that was too light for us without Allen. They think he would be massively appealing to the Nets and could be a difference maker for them. They thought if the Pels pushed hard enough the Nets are in a position where they will have to give us pretty much whatever we want given their stars age etc.
Denver: Harris, Bol Bol, Houston 1st, Denver future 1st (2025ish). Again, other guys thought Brooklyn was infinitely more attractive in a package...duh, that package sucks. Nuggets have made it clear that MPJ "isn't available" so they think it would be difficult to make it happen.
They also thought Jrue could make sense to Dallas (Hardaway involved in it)
Obviously this is nothing earth shattering and already things we have discussed at length. Just thought everyone would want to know what was discussed.
I did not listen to the rest of the podcast so I don't have a clue if they discussed us being in play for the other guys (I doubt they did).
They made it clear they were not breaking news at all. They talked to agents and executives just to get a gauge on if guys get moved what perceived value could be and what teams would be sniffing for each guy.
Windhorst says he is not convinced the Pelicans will move him, but that it is an option because of the contract etc. (duh)
Windhorst thinks he would be VERY valuable, and the guys specifically discussed:
The Nets: Levert, Prince, "young guy" not named Allen, Philly 2020 1st for JJ and Jrue...two of the guys said that was too light for us without Allen. They think he would be massively appealing to the Nets and could be a difference maker for them. They thought if the Pels pushed hard enough the Nets are in a position where they will have to give us pretty much whatever we want given their stars age etc.
Denver: Harris, Bol Bol, Houston 1st, Denver future 1st (2025ish). Again, other guys thought Brooklyn was infinitely more attractive in a package...duh, that package sucks. Nuggets have made it clear that MPJ "isn't available" so they think it would be difficult to make it happen.
They also thought Jrue could make sense to Dallas (Hardaway involved in it)
Obviously this is nothing earth shattering and already things we have discussed at length. Just thought everyone would want to know what was discussed.
I did not listen to the rest of the podcast so I don't have a clue if they discussed us being in play for the other guys (I doubt they did).
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:20 am to Fun Bunch
All else equal, trade him to an Eastern Conference team if at all.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:20 am to Fun Bunch
I'd rather keep Jrue if that's the trade packages, especially Denver's. With that deal he's basically treating Jrue as a salary dump.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:23 am to Fun Bunch
Sounds somewhat similar to a lot of the better speculation I have read on here.
Nets do seem like the most viable and mutually beneficial trade partners. With the Nuggets being a (barely)contender, then seemingly not a whole lot that is obviously apparent. Places he would fit but the teams lack the assets. MPJ perceived as untouchable kind of kills the Nuggets as they say, and pretty much all the speculation here assumes that wouldn’t be the case if I remember.
Personally I would do it. I know there are a ton of Jrue fans that will downvote to hell, but it really is a perfect opportunity to get massive value that would be more aligned with our time table while providing a landing spot for two really good guys that have done everything the right way and deserve to have that chance before they are simply over the hill and chasing a ring as a minimum vet bench warmer.
Nets do seem like the most viable and mutually beneficial trade partners. With the Nuggets being a (barely)contender, then seemingly not a whole lot that is obviously apparent. Places he would fit but the teams lack the assets. MPJ perceived as untouchable kind of kills the Nuggets as they say, and pretty much all the speculation here assumes that wouldn’t be the case if I remember.
Personally I would do it. I know there are a ton of Jrue fans that will downvote to hell, but it really is a perfect opportunity to get massive value that would be more aligned with our time table while providing a landing spot for two really good guys that have done everything the right way and deserve to have that chance before they are simply over the hill and chasing a ring as a minimum vet bench warmer.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 11:26 am
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:35 am to Fun Bunch
Levert is always injured, Prince sucks and Allen (he can't shoot) wouldn't be able to play well alongside Zion. Nah.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 11:39 am
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:41 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
They also thought Jrue could make sense to Dallas (Hardaway involved in it)
Luka and Jrue backcourt would be pretty interesting
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:58 am to Fun Bunch
I don’t know if I like the Brooklyn trade. LeVert is inconsistent at best. All of his best games have been in meaningless games while being the primary ball handler.
Unless MPJ is made available, I think you leave it up to Jrue on whether or not he wants to be traded. If he wants to go try and get a ring, by all means, make an effort to get him somewhere he can do that. He deserves that in my opinion.
This is of course assuming that Rivers doesn’t decide that he doesn’t want one of Embiid or Simmons. In that case, you go full force for either of them
Unless MPJ is made available, I think you leave it up to Jrue on whether or not he wants to be traded. If he wants to go try and get a ring, by all means, make an effort to get him somewhere he can do that. He deserves that in my opinion.
This is of course assuming that Rivers doesn’t decide that he doesn’t want one of Embiid or Simmons. In that case, you go full force for either of them
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:32 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Those proposed deals suck.
On the latest Hoops collective they talk about trades for Paul, Oladipo, Beal, and Holiday.
They made it clear they were not breaking news at all. They talked to agents and executives just to get a gauge on if guys get moved what perceived value could be and what teams would be sniffing for each guy.
Windhorst says he is not convinced the Pelicans will move him, but that it is an option because of the contract etc. (duh)
Windhorst thinks he would be VERY valuable, and the guys specifically discussed:
The Nets: Levert, Prince, "young guy" not named Allen, Philly 2020 1st for JJ and Jrue...two of the guys said that was too light for us without Allen. They think he would be massively appealing to the Nets and could be a difference maker for them. They thought if the Pels pushed hard enough the Nets are in a position where they will have to give us pretty much whatever we want given their stars age etc.
Denver: Harris, Bol Bol, Houston 1st, Denver future 1st (2025ish). Again, other guys thought Brooklyn was infinitely more attractive in a package...duh, that package sucks. Nuggets have made it clear that MPJ "isn't available" so they think it would be difficult to make it happen.
They also thought Jrue could make sense to Dallas (Hardaway involved in it)
Obviously this is nothing earth shattering and already things we have discussed at length. Just thought everyone would want to know what was discussed.
I did not listen to the rest of the podcast so I don't have a clue if they discussed us being in play for the other guys (I doubt they did).
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:07 pm to Fun Bunch
That Denver trade is trash 
The Nets trade would have to include Allen, especially if they are including both Jrue and JJ.
ETA: Bontemps and Windhorst both said a better trade would be Harris, Morris, and MPJ for Jrue
The Nets trade would have to include Allen, especially if they are including both Jrue and JJ.
ETA: Bontemps and Windhorst both said a better trade would be Harris, Morris, and MPJ for Jrue
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:12 pm to Fun Bunch
Also, did you hear any of their proposals that included sign and trades combined with other players?
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