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The Social Dilemma (documentary)

Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:16 am
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:16 am
Saw this last evening. If you have not seen it, I encourage you to watch it. Some of the most compelling commentary is from Jonathan Haidt who co-authored The Coddling of the American Mind. How the algorithms that fill your social media content intentionally, but not by design, drive political polarization is a fascinating phenomenon.

Check in if you have seen it with your own takes.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:19 am to
It was very interesting, and I'm sure the makers of it feel that they did an adequate job of representing left and right equally, but I would disagree with them.

Hacking Your Mind is a 4-part PBS miniseries that just wrapped up this week that's an excellent companion piece to The Social Dilemma.

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Follow host, Jacob Ward, (The TODAY Show), from the farthest corners of the globe to the inside of your mind as he sets out to discover we are not who we think we are. We imagine our conscious minds make most decisions, but in reality we go through much of our lives on “autopilot”. And marketers and social media companies rely on it. Hacking Your Mind offers you an autopilot owner’s manual.


It was extremely interesting in its approach to seeing how confirmation bias + engineered echo chambers in social media (FB/Twitter/IG) contribute to keeping Americans divided by ideology.
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
9259 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:30 am to
Will check it out.
Posted by musick
the internet
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:33 am to
quote:

It was extremely interesting in its approach to seeing how confirmation bias + engineered echo chambers in social media (FB/Twitter/IG) contribute to keeping Americans divided by ideology.


This concept is as old as the two party system. It just evolved with technology. As long as there are 2 parties that constantly attack each other, there will be division in America. It is that way by design.

Any new platform/tech/invention is just going to perpetuate it. I feel the whole concept is far less interesting than it appears on the surface, as it's old as the government itself.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:34 am to
Had no idea Haidt was involved. I will 100% watch it now. It’s been on my list but Johnathan Haidt is one of the best lecturerers out there right now.
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
9259 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:37 am to
His contribution is modest, but as good as expected.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27324 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:37 am to
quote:

It was extremely interesting in its approach to seeing how confirmation bias + engineered echo chambers in social media (FB/Twitter/IG) contribute to keeping Americans divided by ideology.

And we see the fruits of this mind control here every day as the wacko right wing regurgitates their irrationality here to great affirmation from other equally afflicted people.

I hear there are lefty internet communities where they do the same thing, but I’m not familiar with them. Don’t doubt their existence, because that’s what these algorithms produce.

When things get too whacky, perhaps a contrary view, and not necessarily an opposing whacko idea, might help the mind.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154335 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:38 am to
Maybe, but just know that you aren’t that person even if you have some weird savior complex.

Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
9259 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:40 am to
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Any new platform/tech/invention is just going to perpetuate it. I feel the whole concept is far less interesting than it appears on the surface, as it's old as the government itself.


I've heard this argument before with references to disruptive technologies such as the printing press and television, but I think there is more to it than that. Prior technologies didn't feed you with information based on the information that you are most likely to consume. This is a classic feed-forward cycle that is distinct from prior technologies.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:42 am to
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And we see the fruits of this mind control here every day as the wacko right wing regurgitates their irrationality here to great affirmation from other equally afflicted people.

Russia
Collusion
Hoax

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I hear there are lefty internet communities where they do the same thing, but I’m not familiar with them.

have you ever watched ABC, CBS, NBC, or PBS news?

if so, then you have
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154335 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:43 am to
He thinks those are orgs without bias. He’s not going to agree with you.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41182 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:43 am to
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hear there are lefty internet communities where they do the same thing, but I’m not familiar with them. Don’t doubt their existence, because that’s what these algorithms produce.


Twitter and reddit. You’re not familiar with twitter and reddit?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44121 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:46 am to
quote:

I hear there are lefty internet communities where they do the same thing, but I’m not familiar with them.


bullshite.

Posted by VoxDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:48 am to
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TBoy


Kudos for playing the "This Board" card so early in the game.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27324 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:49 am to
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Twitter and reddit. You’re not familiar with twitter and reddit?


I’m not on Twitter or Reddit. Twitter just seems like a mad-scramble mess and the one or two times I followed a Reddit link, i found it difficult to navigate. But I know that there is a lot of right wing content on Twitter because it is talked about daily here.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
10849 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:52 am to
It's very informative. Basically confirmed what I was learning about twitter from the last 5 years and Facebook from when I was on there a few years ago. Scary to a point, because you look at those crusty old bags in DC and think they aren't capable of complex thinking...but their partners in crime in Silicon Valley are there to help.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44121 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:53 am to
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But I know that there is a lot of right wing content on Twitter because it is talked about daily here.



It's a drop in the bucket compared to most of the twitter content, which is heavily biased to the left.

But you knew that you disingenuous twat.

Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30266 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:54 am to
Wife and I watched this documentary yesterday morning..

It really is scary stuff, and we may seem to far gone down this road.

Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30266 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:56 am to
quote:

This concept is as old as the two party system. It just evolved with technology. As long as there are 2 parties that constantly attack each other, there will be division in America. It is that way by design.


This is true. But this documentary tells how social media has really perfected the model and how it works so much better on a larger scale.. and globally.
Posted by whoisnickdoobs
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2012
9352 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 8:27 am to
I watched it the other day expecting them to expose something we didn't already know. It was good, but everything they said was all pretty obvious information.
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