- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: question to the NYC lovers, of which I used to be one / off-shoot of NYC is dead thread
Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:51 am to gthog61
Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:51 am to gthog61
Was planning to go this year for my wedding anniversary. Go see the big arse tree and all that shite. My wife loves it there.
No more
No more
1
Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:59 am to JPinLondon
quote:
what I'm asking NOW is that a new era has arrived
The new era is not ensured to last a long time. Your assuming that what is going on now is going to last a long time, and history tells us it won't. There is too much vested capital in the city for it to reach the levels it was under previous mayors.
Things will return to a sense of normalcy within a half-decade.
This post was edited on 8/18/20 at 11:21 am
Posted on 8/18/20 at 7:34 am to JPinLondon
Lived in Manhattan for 10 years. All bridges and tunnels could be closed down in a matter of minutes. 21 bridges, 15 tunnels.
Probably the main reason I left. Always felt like a sitting duck in that town.
It will probably come back to some extent. But it could be a long time before it regains it's former status.
Probably the main reason I left. Always felt like a sitting duck in that town.
It will probably come back to some extent. But it could be a long time before it regains it's former status.
This post was edited on 8/18/20 at 7:38 am
Posted on 8/18/20 at 8:12 am to Romans58
quote:
Wow....delusional. I was just there last weekend for business. I hadn’t been since December 2018. Unless you are dumb and blind....you see the vast difference. But keep your head in the sand.
I understand that your preferred media has chosen to portray New York as if its Beirut circa 1983, but it really isn't. As big US cities go, it's quite safe. Even now, going through what can be fairly called the worst crime wave in decades, it's still much safer than most cities. Are you saying things about New Orleans and Baton Rouge, those places are much, much, much more dangerous than NYC.
Through July:
New York pop 8.4M murders 225 | 2.7 murders per 100,000
New Orleans pop 390K murders 100 | 26 murders per 100,000
Baton Rouge pop: 221K murders 71 | 31 murders per 100,000
Houston pop: 2.3M murder 178* | 7.7 murders per 100,000
*through July 8th
Who is being delusion here?
Posted on 8/18/20 at 8:26 am to longwayfromLA
quote:
As big US cities go, it's quite safe.
What restaurants would you recommend in NYC for this weekend? Want to get the wife something special from a 5th Avenue shop. Are they ALL shut down for the foreseeable future, or can you suggest one that is open?
Posted on 8/18/20 at 8:29 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
What restaurants would you recommend in NYC for this weekend? Want to get the wife something special from a 5th Avenue shop. Are they ALL shut down for the foreseeable future, or can you suggest one that is open?
LongwayfromLA has exited the chat.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 8:40 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
What restaurants would you recommend in NYC for this weekend? Want to get the wife something special from a 5th Avenue shop. Are they ALL shut down for the foreseeable future, or can you suggest one that is open?
La Grenouille is pretty great. They have outdoor dining options. Reservations are tough, so hurry. As for shopping on 5th, you can go wrong Saks. Tourists love that place.
Not sure what this has to do with anything though...
This post was edited on 8/18/20 at 8:56 am
Posted on 8/18/20 at 8:54 am to uppermidwestbama
quote:
LongwayfromLA has exited the chat.
He asked a random question that had nothing at all to do with the crime rate in NYC and I answered him anyway. Do you want a recommendation too?
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:04 am to Purple Spoon
Was planning on going for my honeymoon. It's not that we're avoiding it because it's unsafe, but I'd rather not deal with flying right now and my friend up there has outright said there is nothing to do. Restaurants, museums, theaters, etc etc are all closed. The draw to the place as a tourist is basically nil.
I've been several times in the past 15 years and love visiting. I just hope a lot of the places I know and like up there survive as she's never been and I'd hate going with her and everything is closed and gone.
I've been several times in the past 15 years and love visiting. I just hope a lot of the places I know and like up there survive as she's never been and I'd hate going with her and everything is closed and gone.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:09 am to longwayfromLA
quote:
Through July:
New York pop 8.4M murders 225 | 2.7 murders per 100,000
New Orleans pop 390K murders 100 | 26 murders per 100,000
Baton Rouge pop: 221K murders 71 | 31 murders per 100,000
Houston pop: 2.3M murder 178* | 7.7 murders per 100,000
*through July 8th
Who is being delusion here?
Now do Portland and Seattle??
Your strong belief that SAFETY = Murder Rate is quite a curious delusion, especially in the post-domestic-terrorist-BLM world we all share since Memorial Day.
Of the four cities you gave statistics on, which one am I more likely to have a band of thugs pull me out of my car and kick my teeth in? If you answered any of the southern ones.. see "delusional" again.
Also, are you dismissing the numerous conversations I have had with officers who work in NYPD-ESU in Brooklyn? Or the NYNJ Port Authority Police officers I text and call regularly, at their posts in Lower Manhattan? And my colleagues at Rikers Island?
You can ignore my blabbering all you want, but why would you discount the warnings of those guys?
ETA:
I was not clear enough in my posts... the officers' consistent warning to me is that the city has QUICKLY changed, and the risk of assault is MUCH higher for whites that it was pre-2020. They never said, per se, that my chances of being murdered were higher, but they unambiguously recommended I not bring my wife and I limit walking around after dark or anywhere near a group that in any way resembles "protesters or thugs".
I have to go there for work this Autumn, and I am considering my options, including a sleeping bag in one of the Brooklyn NYPD precincts, and a ride to/from LGA in a police cruiser.
This post was edited on 8/18/20 at 9:28 am
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:14 am to longwayfromLA
quote:
I mean, I couldn't imagine living in a town of 40K people in Ohio. Again, different strokes man.
I moved from living in downtown Miami to Morgantown WV (which is probably less 40,000 when WVU is not in session). It took a few days to adjust, but once I started work and made a few friends the only noticeable changes in my life were less traffic and the weather. The whole I could never live in a city or a small town stuff is just crap that people say.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:30 am to JPinLondon
quote:
Now do Portland and Seattle??
Sure. Those cities are much, much safer than the rest:
Portland pop: 2.1M murders 24 | 1.1 per 100,000
Seattle pop: 3.4M murders 26 | .76 per 100,000
You asked me to do this; I'm not sure why. Clearly your media are lying to you about how dangerous things are there.
quote:
Your strong belief that SAFETY = Murder Rate is quite a curious delusion, especially in the post-domestic-terrorist-BLM world we all share since Memorial Day.
It's not a delusion it's a partiality for good data that I've developed over a long professional career dealing in data. I don't equate murder and safety, I just believe that you can't hide bodies and that makes it a good metric to use to understand the relatively safety of a city when comparing it to other cities. Different cities can classify the same crime differently in their statistics. Some cities actually make an effort to classify crimes down to other lesser crimes to make their stats look better to voters. But homicides stay homicides. Are you suggesting an alternative metric?
quote:
Of the four cities you gave statistics on, which one am I more likely to have a band of thugs pull me out of my car and kick my teeth in? If you answered any of the southern ones.. see "delusional" again.
This is an odd paranoid fantasy, but I'd wager stranger crimes are more rare in NYC, in particular Manhattan than in any of those cities. You have very odd and nonsensical view of the city.
quote:I mean you've never mentioned them before and I have no idea what they said, so no or not yet. If they are saying that NYC is more dangerous than New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Houston and many, many, other cities. I would point them in the direction of their own stats and then dismiss them.
Also, are you dismissing the numerous conversations I have had with officers who work in NYPD-ESU in Brooklyn? Or the NYNJ Port Authority Police officers I text and call regularly, at their posts in Lower Manhattan? And my colleagues at Rikers Island?
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:57 am to longwayfromLA
Business as usual at Saks 5th Ave?
quote:
He asked a random question that had nothing at all to do with the crime rate in NYC
Barbed wire and chain link fencing at Saks 5th ave. Most of my favorite NYC restaurants are closed permanently. The restaurant you mentioned is open for 3 hours a day now.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Business as usual at Saks 5th Ave?
come on, man. it's not hard to check this stuff.
live 5th ave. webcam
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:29 am to compscitiger
That spot at 11:30 am weekday would normally be PACKED. it is empty --almost nobody.
Shootings are up by a huge percentage---80% I think. Murder maybe not, but shootings are. How about looting, beatings, stabbings, etc.....if you're lucky enough to survive you don't become a murder statistic but crime is up.
Shootings are up by a huge percentage---80% I think. Murder maybe not, but shootings are. How about looting, beatings, stabbings, etc.....if you're lucky enough to survive you don't become a murder statistic but crime is up.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:31 am to JPinLondon
quote:
And at what point did you infer the city I live in is in any way "shitty"?
I found your (albeit incomplete) description of the town to be depressing (40K people, dominated by one industry, Ohio), but that's totally irrelevant to the greater discussion beyond using it as an example of your inability to accept that not all people have your fears. This conversation really should be quite simple...'to each his own.' I have no interest in demanding that you explain why you enjoy living there, and then trying to change your mind with sensationalist fear mongering or anecdotal stories. I'm actually not an a-hole and I'm glad you enjoy living in your city. Why do you demand that others think like you?
quote:
My queries lie deeper than the "crime statistics" because claiming to quote the 2020 crime stats is not some instantaneous way to describe an actual situation, particularly from Memorial Day to mid-August.
With Portland as an example, do you think the crime statistics would show that driving through a couple areas (assuming near Pioneer Square) as a white person gives a reasonably good chance of being yanked from your car by a mob, having your face kicked, and being near-death in the hospital?
Stats wouldn't show that, but yea, OBSERVATION tells me that I should steer clear of that situation.
Do stats tell us absolutely everything? No, but that's where I'll start 100% of the time. Yes, stats are more important than your anecdotal stories. And your fantasy hypothetical that you keep falling back on does not make sense to a person who is not insane. You're like "sure, you have a much better chance of getting murdered in Cities A, B, or C, but if I drive through these select areas of NYC or Portland, during this particular event, I could get kicked by someone wearing a black mask!!!!" Why do you focus exclusively on this one type of crime and downplay murder?
quote:
But since you are so brave, and my personal fears are so irrational, how about this...
if Trump wins, you go walk around the following two nights in a couple Bronx or Queens neighborhoods I know of and let's see what the result of a mayor who allowed violent crime to fester is... whether or not it makes it into the crime statistics.
Massive straw man. First of all, as I said this isn't even a defense of NYC. It's a fight for rational thought over emotional fear mongering. I have no intention of getting on a plane to prove anything. Also, shall we just start exploring all the preposterous scenarios we can come up with(in which neither of us would ever find ourselves in) for all high-crime cities? Because that would be a pretty big waste of time.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:36 am to compscitiger
quote:
come on, man. it's not hard to check this stuff.
Right. You think it is business as usual at Saks? Guess you didn't check THAT stuff. Shopping is now available by appointment only. Zero appointments available today or tomorrow. Very few the rest of the week.
LINK
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:41 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Right. You think it is business as usual at Saks?
respectfully, I didn't say that, and neither did longwayfromLA.
quote:
Shopping is now available by appointment only. Zero appointments available today or tomorrow. Very few the rest of the week.
respectfully, you didn't qualify your request for a shopping recommendation. longwayfromLA did answer your question (which you seem to have been asking in bad faith).
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:45 am to longwayfromLA
quote:
I mean you've never mentioned them before and I have no idea what they said, so no or not yet. If they are saying that NYC is more dangerous than New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Houston and many, many, other cities. I would point them in the direction of their own stats and then dismiss them.
I ETA'd my post, but too slow. So my error there. Here's what I put:
quote:
The NYPD-ESU, Port Authority Police, and Rikers Island officers' consistent warning to me is that the city has QUICKLY changed, and the risk of assault is MUCH higher for whites that it was pre-2020. They never said, per se, that my chances of being murdered were higher, but they unambiguously recommended I not bring my wife and I limit walking around after dark or anywhere near a group that in any way resembles "protesters or thugs".
I have to go there for work this Autumn, and I am considering my options, including a sleeping bag in one of the Brooklyn NYPD precincts, and a ride to/from LGA in a police cruiser.
You say you have analyzed data for your career. Hopefully you are aware that fast-moving trends do not always show up in the data.
But seemingly you don't, because I am making references to Portland and Seattle and the anti-white assaults that are rampant there, but admittedly NOT showing up in any collected metrics... but you claim the southern cities still have more chance of such anti-white crime.
I trust what these officers are telling me. And I appreciate that you are engaging me here, but I just don't think our arguments are lining up. We seem to be on different chapters of the same book.
I hope you stay safe, I really do. In case I haven't been clear, I tried to in the OP... I am truly saddened at the awful place that the once magnificent NYC has become.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:46 am to compscitiger
quote:
respectfully, I didn't say that, and neither did longwayfromLA.
I don't think any of them have any idea what has been said and what hasn't, at this point.
Page 3 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News