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The Right of Secession... History forgotten...
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:47 pm
It's sad to see people refer to a fake history. The Right of Secession was something all states had fought for.
The states of NY, VA, and RI refused to ratify the US Constitution without the confirmation of that right that was expressed in our own DOI.
Through out the beginning to the Civil war, the Right to Secession was used by states to insure the people of their state were considered and protected.
Here is Abe Lincoln on the FLOOR of Congress prior to the Civil War:
Abraham Lincoln in 1847 on the floor of the United States House of Representatives:
Sorry, but ALL people in this forum believe that Slavery is wrong. I have never seen a single person agree with that. NOT ONE.
But to say that this was not a thing, or that trying to leave the union was an act of treason is blindly ignorant.
The New England states met, and decided that they were leaving. The even met to choose a general to lead them IF Congress went against the wishes of their people.
That was called The States' Rights Hartford Convention of New England. The Convention selected representatives to go to Washington to present its grievances to the government. It even chose a military leader should its grievances be ignored, and made arrangements for a second convention, if necessary, to make specific plans to secede. Commissioners were sent to Washington.
Here were their words:
Interesting when one looks at history.
The states of NY, VA, and RI refused to ratify the US Constitution without the confirmation of that right that was expressed in our own DOI.
Through out the beginning to the Civil war, the Right to Secession was used by states to insure the people of their state were considered and protected.
Here is Abe Lincoln on the FLOOR of Congress prior to the Civil War:
Abraham Lincoln in 1847 on the floor of the United States House of Representatives:
quote:
Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.
Sorry, but ALL people in this forum believe that Slavery is wrong. I have never seen a single person agree with that. NOT ONE.
But to say that this was not a thing, or that trying to leave the union was an act of treason is blindly ignorant.
The New England states met, and decided that they were leaving. The even met to choose a general to lead them IF Congress went against the wishes of their people.
That was called The States' Rights Hartford Convention of New England. The Convention selected representatives to go to Washington to present its grievances to the government. It even chose a military leader should its grievances be ignored, and made arrangements for a second convention, if necessary, to make specific plans to secede. Commissioners were sent to Washington.
Here were their words:
quote:
Whenever it shall appear that these causes are radical and permanent, a separation by equitable arrangement, will be preferable to an alliance by constraint, among nominal friends, but real enemies, inflamed by mutual hatred and jealousy, and inviting by intestine division, contempt and aggression from abroad.
Interesting when one looks at history.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:48 pm to Jjdoc
Lincoln is talking about the right of revolution. There was never a right to secession and even if there had been, losing an election (which was your fault) is not a just cause. Not to mention the average white person (and ofc the slaves) had no say in the matter, only the plantation owners did
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This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:50 pm to Jjdoc
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Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power
Obviously the downfall of the Confederacy
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:36 pm to Jjdoc
“However strong a Government may be, it cannot easily escape from the consequences of a principle which it has once admitted as the foundation of its Constitution. The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the states; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the states chooses to withdraw from the compact, it would be difficult to disapprove its right of doing so, and the Federal Government would have no means of maintaining its claims directly either by force or right.”Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America.
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