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re: Trump: Flying Confederate Flag Is "Freedom of Speech"

Posted on 7/7/20 at 7:53 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
80847 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 7:53 pm to
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The supreme court said no to your reasonable argument.

Confederate flag = free speech
Burning flag = free speech


Sigh
Posted by tiggerfan02
HSV, AL
Member since May 2020
366 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:23 pm to
It is freedom of speech.
frick anyone who says otherwise, because they don't know what they are talking about.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
77494 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:36 pm to
LITERALLY HITLER MUH TRIGGERS!!! Oh noz.
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2862 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:41 pm to
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The only thing liberals have right is free speech. And they nail it.


You have to make a distinction between classic liberals and neo-liberals in today’s political reality. Classic liberals actually believe in freedom of speech and neo-liberals (most of today’s left) believe in freedom of speech as long as they don’t deem it “hate speech” or offensive.
Posted by MeatPants
Member since Nov 2015
8855 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:45 pm to
Don’t die on this hill trump

Just go after other things like shitting on the actual American flag

Posted by themunch
Here
Member since Jan 2007
67602 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:03 pm to
The jammies got rustled. Good
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27060 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:07 pm to
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I guess he’s technically correct, but Trump needs to shut the frick up about the Confederacy.


He's gonna keep fricking around and get his arse beat.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
106104 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:54 pm to
I don’t mind him taking a stand but he needs to be more clear of why he is doing it.
Posted by Parscale
Member since Jun 2020
128 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:59 pm to
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I don’t mind him taking a stand but he needs to be more clear of why he is doing it.



A-fricking-men. He’s not wrong, but more importantly, he needs to expand his base. I know I’m the a-hole for saying this, but he needs to pick a different battle. I don’t see how this wins over the undecided and independents.

Posted by Parscale
Member since Jun 2020
128 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:02 pm to
It’s like visiting your 90 yr old grandfather in a nursing home when he talks about his racist perspective. He probably has good points that you agree with, but you can’t help but cringe when he rants.

And it doesn’t mean you don’t love the bastard.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:24 am to
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The only thing liberals have right is free speech. And they nail it. LIberal... yes. But that's not whats in the democrat party today. They are totalitarians that completely oppose free speech. To them anything they disagree with is "hate speech" and should be banned. I miss true Liberals. They used to say "I disagree with you but will fight for your right to say it." Now they say "I disagree with you, it's hate speech, and should be banned". The change is scary.


You are spot on...Liberal isn't synonymous with leftist lunatic anymore than Conservative is synonymous with right winged nut job. There are still many liberals about who are not among the offended crowd...a crowd that is equally distributed across the political spectrum....the right wacko is as triggered by removal of statue as the left nut is by its presence....and there are conservatives who truly think smaller government in EVERYONES life is the only path to success....but there is an equal number on both sides who would immediately force the other side to think, act and mimic their own actions and ideas and if the other side doesn't walk in lock step with them they must be cursed and called all sorts of vile names. The vast majority of Americans straddle the fence...we are conservative in some ways and liberal in others....and we are pretty quite...but it is the middle of the road that should run this country yet the extremes on both sides get all of the candidates because moderates, as superior as our numbers surely are, simply do not make much fuss and get involved until election day. Donald Trump changed that forever because the nut jobs came out in droves during the primaries and the moderates never saw it coming and then had to pretend to be supportive of their man after the fact.....the fringes have proven capable of getting elected, governing on the other hand not so much....
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:26 am to
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You have to make a distinction between classic liberals and neo-liberals in today’s political reality.


Nope, not at all.

The "classic Liberals" created the monsters now rioting, burning and engaging in Fascism.....

They don't get a pass for the destruction they created.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:39 am to
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I am just not sure how NASCAR or any private entity's policy with respect to the confederate flag is a freedom of speech issue.
Assuming that you reference the First Amendment, neither is Trump.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:57 am to
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Flying Confederate Flag Is "Freedom of Speech"
If "Kill the Cops!" is condoned, I see no reason why Stars and Bars shouldn't be allowed to fly.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:04 am to
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Lolbertarians. Bet you support cheese pizza and legalizing drugs too


To me Pizza is a lot like sex....it all has redeemable qualities LOL.

I do think ALL drugs should be legalized....the only things off the top of my head I can think of that an adult ought not be allowed to sell or buy is sex with a child, murder for hire and child pornography. Anything else that I obtain legally should be mine to dispose of as I see fit as long as it does no overt damage to anyone else....putting it in a ladfill is damaging but not overtly.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:07 am to
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as long as it does no overt damage to anyone else


Didn't you advocate dog fighting earlier?
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:09 am to
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I could be wrong but I'm almost 100% positive he's not referencing actual drivers or anyone from NASCAR that's under contract. It's fans that are tailgating on premises of races. I mean I can't imagine a driver or a team having a confederate flag with them. I think nascar banned fans from having them.


Again, on your property do what you wanna do...its your thing...I can't tell you who to sock it too and wouldn't feign to do so....but NASCAR is well within its rights to insist that anyone associated with their brand measure up to their standards...including fans tailgating on speedwar property when the speedway has a contract with NASCAR stating they must meet NASCARs standards. If you are tailgating on your property adjacent to the speedway that's another can of worms...do what you wanna do....but if you are on speedway property and do not comply with their demands as to your conduct you can and will be escorted off the premises and you will have no recourse. except to not patronize nascar in the future...or buy them out and then it'd be your thing, do what you wanna do....no one could tell you who to sock it too....
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:16 am to
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Didn't you advocate dog fighting earlier?


No, I said it should not a criminal act. I wouldn't participate nor would I attend one but I don't think the state has the right to tell me and you that we can't sic our dogs on one another for our entertainment or enrichment....as disgusting as that is there isn't any place for the state to tell the individual what they can do with their legally obtained property except where it damages someone else.
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2862 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:40 am to
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Nope, not at all. The "classic Liberals" created the monsters now rioting, burning and engaging in Fascism..... They don't get a pass for the destruction they created.


Classic liberals haven’t controlled the left for a while now.
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