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Will Tenet break Nolan’s fanfare mystique?
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:15 am
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:15 am
He’s had back to back films now with Dunkirk and Interstellar which have been a little underwhelming. Nothing bad (and still profitable), but certainly not living up to the hype leading up to it.
Along comes Tenet, with little more than vague hints as to what the plot is. Is the lead a cop? Secret agent? Is he trying to break into this shadow organization or defend something? Pretty much all we know is that there is a mind bendy sci fi concept at its core which is where Nolan is at its best but the marketing campaign seems less able to attract the attention of mainstream movie goers than his previous cinematic experiments.
Then you throw in COVID-19, and the fact that it will be one of the earliest releases once the movie industry comes back: will people be willing enough to go to movies in the droves to make a tent pole blockbuster profitable? And willing enough to compensate for both the reduced capacity of theaters both in terms of fewer seats/tickets sold and inevitable closures of locations? Especially considering with the compressed releases, it will be less time than normal that the “new film” will have that period of exclusivity.
And do so well enough to overcome this:
It all just seems to be a set up of circumstances to cause a box office bomb regardless of the movie quality that will make the studio eat it’s hat and make them far more leery to give Nolan green lights and free reign on his original projects going forward.
Probably the only upside the movie has going for it in the current climate is that the lead is black.
Along comes Tenet, with little more than vague hints as to what the plot is. Is the lead a cop? Secret agent? Is he trying to break into this shadow organization or defend something? Pretty much all we know is that there is a mind bendy sci fi concept at its core which is where Nolan is at its best but the marketing campaign seems less able to attract the attention of mainstream movie goers than his previous cinematic experiments.
Then you throw in COVID-19, and the fact that it will be one of the earliest releases once the movie industry comes back: will people be willing enough to go to movies in the droves to make a tent pole blockbuster profitable? And willing enough to compensate for both the reduced capacity of theaters both in terms of fewer seats/tickets sold and inevitable closures of locations? Especially considering with the compressed releases, it will be less time than normal that the “new film” will have that period of exclusivity.
And do so well enough to overcome this:
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With a production budget between $200–225 million, Tenet is Nolan's most expensive original project. IndieWire speculated that the marketing could push final costs to $300–350 million, while Observer estimated the film would need to make $450–500 million in order to break even. Nolan is reported to receive twenty percent of the first-dollar gross.
It all just seems to be a set up of circumstances to cause a box office bomb regardless of the movie quality that will make the studio eat it’s hat and make them far more leery to give Nolan green lights and free reign on his original projects going forward.
Probably the only upside the movie has going for it in the current climate is that the lead is black.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:24 am to Volvagia
If it fails it will be because of Covid. Not fanfare. Interstellar made a lot of money. So did Dunkirk. Both made over $500MM and neither are superhero movies. And interstellar is a pretty heady movie.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:30 am to Volvagia
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make the studio eat it’s hat and make them far more leery to give Nolan green lights and free reign on his original projects going forward.
This is a bad take
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:31 am to LoveThatMoney
I think the damning thing here will be marketing as well though.
Insterstellar and Inception both did awesome jobs of marketing/showcasing the concept in a way to draw people in. This one feels more generic on the outside than those.
With the COVID-19 situation, that additional handicap can be brutal.
With a break even in the half billion range, and 20% of gross going to Nolan, it’s going to be hard not to lose ooodles of money. Studios are horrifically risk averse. The fact it was caused by COVID-19 won’t really carry much weight: they will be reluctant to sign off on original projects budgeted for more than 120 or so.
Insterstellar and Inception both did awesome jobs of marketing/showcasing the concept in a way to draw people in. This one feels more generic on the outside than those.
With the COVID-19 situation, that additional handicap can be brutal.
With a break even in the half billion range, and 20% of gross going to Nolan, it’s going to be hard not to lose ooodles of money. Studios are horrifically risk averse. The fact it was caused by COVID-19 won’t really carry much weight: they will be reluctant to sign off on original projects budgeted for more than 120 or so.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:34 am to Proximo
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make the studio eat it’s hat and make them far more leery to give Nolan green lights and free reign on his original projects going forward
Why?
You do realize that this happens all of the time? That same pressure is why movies are flooded with generic and “safe” films, especially at the blockbuster budget level. The creative stuff is limited to the cheap releases
I didn’t say he would suddenly be out if a job in Hollywood if that’s what you read.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:47 am to Volvagia
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Along comes Tenet, with little more than vague hints as to what the plot is
Time travel to prevent WW3
Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:58 am to Volvagia
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Pretty much all we know is that there is a mind bendy sci fi concept at its core which is where Nolan is at its best but the marketing campaign seems less able to attract the attention of mainstream movie goers than his previous cinematic experiments.
Do you think a pandemic and nationwide protests might have something to do with that?
Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Time travel to prevent WW3
“No, inversión”
That trailer only very recently came out(which has a lot more meat and potatoes...probably in direct response to initial feedback to earlier campaign), and most movie goers haven’t seen it as a result. Or is it being plastered on cable?
Because literally if every single person who saw that trailer based on WB counter, it’s around 35% of break even.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:08 am to RLDSC FAN
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Do you think a pandemic and nationwide protests might have something to do with that?
Given that I brought that up and other factors?
Jesus, the Nolan knighting on here is hilarious.
I hit home pretty hard it is likely to be a victim of circumstances which could cause him to take a hit independent of the quality of the film. I explicitly said that.
But all you heard was “HE DISSED NOLAN *autistic screetching*”
The fact is the only things most casual movie goers know about it is in in the below trailer.
LINK
But apparently I’m the only one who thinks the film is in danger of significantly underperforming even if it’s good. So I’ll bow out now.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 9:10 am
Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:15 am to Volvagia
I'm not a nolanite(shout out to freaux ). I would be asking you the same question for any other upcoming films like mulan or wonder woman. No film is doing big numbers under these conditions. There’s literally no hype for anything right now.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:33 am to Volvagia
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Interstellar
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underwhelming
I know it's not a flawless movie, but I wouldn't describe it as underwhelming. It's maybe the most beautiful film I've ever seen in a theater. Also, unique and imaginative still.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:35 am to Volvagia
I liked Interstellar and Dunkirk. Most people I know did as well. I haven’t watched every Nolan movie, but if those two are his worst movies he must be pretty good.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:45 am to Volvagia
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Along comes Tenet, with little more than vague hints as to what the plot is
A man coming to terms with his violent homosexuality
Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:48 am to Volvagia
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mind bendy sci fi concept at its core which is where Nolan is at its best
Funny how the Nolanites always champion “grounded in reality” “70’s heist movie” Batman when Nolan didn’t explore his or the character’s weirdest strengths.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 11:12 am to Volvagia
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will make the studio eat it’s hat and make them far more leery to give Nolan green lights and free reign on his original projects going forward.
will never happen
even if Warner Bros were to take away his cart blanche, another studio would come in to sweep him up in a heartbeat
Posted on 7/4/20 at 11:39 am to Volvagia
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He’s had back to back films now with Dunkirk and Interstellar which have been a little underwhelming. Nothing bad (and still profitable), but certainly not living up to the hype leading up to it.
I loved Interstellar (yes, it has flaws) and thought Dunkirk was solid. Not living up to the hype is a pretty poor criticism for Nolan’s movies since the hype is always astronomical
Posted on 7/4/20 at 12:19 pm to LoveThatMoney
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If it fails it will be because of Covid
Hard to say w/certainty but every film that fails at the box office in the next 6-12 months is going to have that as the excuse.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 1:32 pm to Volvagia
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But apparently I’m the only one who thinks the film is in danger of significantly underperforming even if it’s good.
Of course not, but that’s not how you framed the question at all. And I think its pretty safe to say that EVERY film is currently in danger of underperforming relative the standards of a pre-Covid world. Nothing to do with Nolan.
Regarding the lack marketing of this film, nothing is being heavily marketed right now. The main reason is nobody knows when anything is actually getting released. All release dates are tentative, whether stated or not. I’m sure this new Tom Hanks movie Greyhound was not meant for an Apple+ release, but I just saw its 30 second trailer for just the 3rd time, and it comes out in 6 days.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 3:24 pm to Volvagia
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Nolan is reported to receive twenty percent of the first-dollar gross
Terrible contract. What’s he going to do with 20c.
Posted on 7/4/20 at 3:40 pm to Volvagia
Surprised by such a large budget. I have no idea what it's about though.
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