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Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:22 am
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:22 am
Problem...

There is no other job in America that gives so much power to individuals with so few qualifications (outside of politicians, ironically).

There are issues with cops, as we saw during the COVID lockdown. The problem is the emotional bandwidth to handle the authority entrusted to them. Police need very real and frequent audits of their actions and psychological evals relative to their records.
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:25 am to
The whole thing boils down to accountability.

We all know that the Police are a brotherhood and will protect their own, and this sentiment extends up the food chain to the courts, judges, politicians, etc.

If they were accountable for their actions the same way that every other person is, then you'd see a lot of this go away very very quickly.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
28182 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:27 am to
The problem is that there is a shortage of cops, so departments have to rush unqualified people through training and get out onto the streets in order to maintain any semblance of manpower.


The other problem is that local politicians hide and coverup bad actors in order to prevent outrage that leads to losing the next vote.


The authoritarian issue is not really an issue. Sure there are some bad dudes in the force, but that applies to any and every field of work. It's not the problem, because by nature a police force has to have some authoritarian power. It's the abuse of that power which poses problems. See my above two reasons as to why it stays a problem.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21394 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:28 am to
Lots of people like to say shite like this but the facts just don’t bear it out.

Are there bad apples? Yes.

Has police corruption improved tremendously over the past few decades? Yes, absolutely, and it’s provable .

Is anyone actually looking at the facts? Hell naw!

Are the exceedingly rare instances a-hole cops (and even some distorted cases ie. Michael Brown in Ferguson) being used for political purposes and everyone is shitting the bed over it? Absolutely.
Posted by The Melt
Metairie
Member since Apr 2018
984 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:29 am to
Exactly. It's cultural within the police departments just as violence in the black community is cultural.
Posted by Aeschylus
Member since Jun 2020
72 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:33 am to
They are authoritarian when it comes to the easy stuff. Total pussies when it comes to defending our heritage and monuments, or public property of any kind, and especially businesses destroyed by violent mobs inspired by domestic terrorists.

We need police reform, there is not question about it, and that starts with revitalizing the old ways of common defense, in which citizens were imbued with a duty to protect.
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:33 am to
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Are there bad apples? Yes.


The problem isn't even necessarily the actions of the bad Police. The problem is the fact that when shite like this does happen, all too often it gets swept under the rug. People have ZERO faith in the judicial system to execute justice in a fair and impartial manner.

When Cops execute a no-knock warrant on the wrong fricking house and someone ends up dead: who loses their job? Who gets charged with manslaughter?

There are problems up and down Police departments that extend way beyond some arse-hat getting a little to handsy with a perp. They are in dire need of oversight and accountability.

The entire theory of law enforcement is that if you have strong policing and are tough on crime, then crime will naturally be driven down. Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. The Police need to be policed.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 9:34 am
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6630 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:34 am to
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Problem...

There is no other job in America that gives so much power to individuals with so few qualifications (outside of politicians, ironically).

There are issues with cops, as we saw during the COVID lockdown. The problem is the emotional bandwidth to handle the authority entrusted to them. Police need very real and frequent audits of their actions and psychological evals relative to their records.



They have that.

You are asking a low paying position to take on an incredible amount of responsibility and the numbers do not bear out this national crisis of abusive cops, I'm sorry...they don't. The numbers of actual abuses of police authority would certainly be dwarfed by wrecks involving professional truck drivers, for example and probably even accidental deaths during a surgical procedure. Both of these jobs are people with huge responsibility, but we aren't burning our country down and trying to transform communities into Mogadishu over them.

The more "oversight" you layer onto police, just understand the less effective police you will have. The more rules and restrictions you place on them, understand you will have far slower response times, delayed investigations and will be recruiting from a much higher risk pool because good cops will grow disgusted at being hamstrung by bureaucrats who don't have to accept any risk themselves.

As usual with leftist ideology, it's going to take fools walking down a fool's road to see how bad their ideas are.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34100 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:34 am to
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The problem is that there is a shortage of cops, so departments have to rush unqualified people through training and get out onto the streets in order to maintain any semblance of manpower.


Because it’s a shitty job with even shittier pay.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:35 am to
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The whole thing boils down to accountability. We all know that the Police are a brotherhood and will protect their own, and this sentiment extends up the food chain to the courts, judges, politicians, etc. If they were accountable for their actions the same way that every other person is, then you'd see a lot of this go away very very quickly.


It is OUR fault, not the police. People will do whatever they need to do to get by or want to do if there are no ill side effects. We pay them squat, which means many aren't exactly high quality recruits. We hire them, provide them with very little training and what training we do provide is poor quality...and then expect them to perform at a high level. The only person they can count on is their brother policemen...just like soldiers. They should be in a position where they can depend on the people they are protecting and serving but instead we treat them like shite and then act surprised when the react in kind.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2396 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:35 am to
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The problem is that there is a shortage of cops


Or a glut of crime.
Less crime equals less police, and ones you higher are smarter and can be higher paid.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68474 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:36 am to
No they don't...the problem with LE is they don't know when they're going to get ambushed and they have to treat every encounter as if they will get ambushed.
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:38 am to
quote:

It is OUR fault, not the police. People will do whatever they need to do to get by or want to do if there are no ill side effects. We pay them squat, which means many aren't exactly high quality recruits. We hire them, provide them with very little training and what training we do provide is poor quality...and then expect them to perform at a high level. The only person they can count on is their brother policemen...just like soldiers. They should be in a position where they can depend on the people they are protecting and serving but instead we treat them like shite and then act surprised when the react in kind.



Posted by Presidio
Member since Nov 2017
3060 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:39 am to
(1) Remove qualified immunity

(2) Reduce the power of police unions

(3) Greatly reduce the number of laws, especially those that are geared toward generating revenue for police departments
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 9:40 am
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:40 am to
Imagine being an officer and dealing with dirtbags constantly every day.

I can’t believe there aren’t more incidents.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
10900 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:40 am to
I think what the OP is saying is what BLM is saying. The structure is what’s wrong, not that we have a bunch of racist cops.
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
3116 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:42 am to
This. It isn’t a race thing, it’s a power hungry thing.

The LEO field attracts a lot of LQ, power hungry pieces of shite that should never be cops but yet here we are. The only way to stop this shite is to put cops through way more deescalation training and actually hold cops accountable. The “thick blue wall” has got to be busted and hold everyone accountable that abuses their powers.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21394 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:42 am to
quote:

The entire theory of law enforcement is that if you have strong policing and are tough on crime, then crime will naturally be driven down. Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. The Police need to be policed.


I wholeheartedly agree. Without going into detail, I was involved in a part of the justice system that dealt with the prosecution of crimes by police officers. I can tell you better than most how much corruption there is in police departments, and all other government departments!

And yes, it takes strong policing of the police to keep them in check and to keep them honest. They are like any other profession.

My point is that it is a utopian pipe dream to think that we can eliminate all police corruption.

WE CAN’T VERY WELL BURN DOWN OUR GOD DAMN CITIES EVERY TIME A BAD COP DOES SOME BAD shite.
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
4733 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:44 am to
The majority of cops are good people. Part of the issue is that they deal with the worse of society so often and for so long - that they come to expect everyone is a shitty person.

Couple that with the fact that, like every profession, there are a few bad apples. Issue there is that bad apples in other professions generally aren’t in a position to end your life.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
28182 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:44 am to
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Because it’s a shitty job with even shittier pay.



Not shitty nob, but dangerous, difficult and comes with little to no respect. I get what you’re saying with that though the accuracy needed to be clarified


The pay is not great. Have to be Fed to make a worthwhile salary
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