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re: There's 'mounting evidence' Louisiana's coronavirus restrictions maybe weren't 'justified'

Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:39 pm to
Posted by Commando
Never Never Land
Member since Jan 2009
2810 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:39 pm to
Now there’s a huge surprise
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:40 pm to
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I'm not arguing anymore. Good day.


Shocking.

Don’t forget to order your 3 hazmat suits in the next few days. Want to make sure they have plenty of time for shipping to be there in 3 weeks.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31959 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:47 pm to
Oh bullshite! That’s crap! Muh impeach pie!
MAGA!!!!!!!

And, then there was logic....
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:48 pm to
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So the states with the biggest cities were hit the hardest



Hello from Texas mother fricker
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43316 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 7:30 pm to
K, put my kid to bed and still feel goaded into responding despite your trying to paint me into a chicken little lockdown guy.. so here we go:


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I can’t think of a single reason for you to post that emotional BS outside of trying, in your own pussyfooting way, to scare people against the idea of having a choice.


Just another idiot posting their story on an open forum. No ulterior motive or purposefully trying to fearmonger. I can see your POV but I seriously don't think that hard before posting shite most of the time (it probably shows in my post history)

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And when you announce to the world that you’re a hypocrite that isn’t going to abide by the rules you want everyone else to be governed by in 3 weeks, I’m going to point that out.


Please do. Considering I don't want a lockdown.

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Seems like you should be far more educated than the sheep that only get their news from the places you claim you don’t.


I generally post on other boards mostly, and I stopped reading most COVID threads besides the daily numbers and graphs, but for some stupid reason I decided to open this one and post in it and now look at us.

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And as the 3 of you continue interacting with the real world over the next 3 weeks, there will be an even greater risk of you being an asymptomatic carrier. In fact, the only logical choice in this situation is to go see him immediately, when you have the lowest risk of being asymptomatic and you know the spike you’re so worried about hasn’t happened.



Solid point. Nothing to say other than you are right.

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Firstly, there is absolutely going to be an increase in cases. There will be more people tested. That is irrelevant. The only thing relevant is the hospitalization numbers.


I would expect an increase in absolute positives as testing increased but if things are largely staying the same shouldn't %positive same the same or even decrease as testing increased? I'm probably wrong here in some way so this is a legitimate question. ELI5.

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And there it is again, the pussyfooting. ‘I know the numbers look really good right now, like they have for several weeks. But there is still a chance this thing could kill millions.’

How long has Georgia been re-opened? What do their numbers look like?


1) Strawman. I am not saying anything like that. I am just trying to evaluate personal risk. Am I pussyfooting? Sure. Call it what you want. I want to feel certain.

2) Georgia's numbers look fine. It looks like we'll all stay fine through phase 1. I'm not denying it. I'm just trying to be cautious when visiting at-risk family.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 7:52 pm
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33807 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:15 pm to
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I can pretty much say with certainty it won't.

Source: school district

This is not over whatsoever

Im sure it depends on your school district. Ours will be open. S&C camp for student athletes (7th & 8th grade) will have a late start for us in mid-June instead of next week but that’s it.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33807 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:22 pm to
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It's definitely needed. We need to evaluate the initial response as part of our plan moving forward. I'm partial to reopening while quarantine particularly vulnerable people and those who wish to remain quarantined. I also want to see N95 mask production ramped up so that we can wear those if we so choose


What I find incredibly disingenuous is people who say something along the lines of "I knew this would be a nothing burger all along! Hoax! Scam!" despite there was literally no good reason to believe it was going to be nothing back in March and early April. Hell, we are about to cross 100k deaths in the U.S. in May despite lockdowns. This is not a nothing burger, and we still don't know if we will have a 2nd wave when temps come back down in fall/winter. It's easily the worst pandemic since the Spanish Flu. We've had as many deaths worldwide from it in 6 months as Swine Flu did in a year.


It may have been needed in the early beginning while we figured out who was dying and who was recovering but the window for that need was short.

We should have quarantined the high risk populations (elderly, underlying conditions and immune-compromised) while allowing the healthy population to keep the country running and develop herd immunity.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 9:49 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43316 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:32 pm to
Don't disagree, though there's a caveat that we largely know next to nothing about immunity or how long it may last.
Posted by mattchewbocca
houma, la
Member since Jun 2008
5439 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:37 pm to
I love how most people think it’s only nurses that work in hospitals
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67992 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:37 pm to
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Non elderly and perfectly healthy people have died from this. Are you ok with it being you?



The vast vast majority of non elderly and healthy people survive this. Like every medical condition out there, there are obviously outliers. If we are going to shut everything down because a healthy person died, we may as well shut down every year during flu season.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33807 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:48 pm to
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Don't disagree, though there's a caveat that we largely know next to nothing about immunity or how long it may last.

Ok. So? This is with us going forward. Will likely be like the flu in that we deal with it annually. As people who died WITH Covid but not OF Covid are backed out of the death totals, we are discovering the death rate is similar to flu death rates.

Now knowing that the vast majority of deaths occur with the elderly and those with underlying conditions, we can better protect those populations by locking them down. We can also better address cluster areas like meat packing plants, nursing homes and other clusters in high density environments. We also know that the vast majority of those who contract Covid live, many with little to mild symptoms.

We don’t lock down the country for the flu even though we know people will get it every year. Why? Because it’s not life-threatening to the majority of the population. Instead, we focus our resources on protecting those for whom it can prove fatal.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:34 pm to
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Don't disagree, though there's a caveat that we largely know next to nothing about immunity or how long it may last.


there’s that pussyfooting again.

‘Someone said something indicating this thing isn’t really worth worrying about. Let me passively throw in some comment to remind everyone there’s still a chance millions will die.’

Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33807 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 11:44 pm to
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Non elderly and perfectly healthy people have died from this. Are you ok with it being you?

Non-elderly and healthy people have died from the flu this year, too. In fact, according to the CDC, 24,000 - 62,000 people have died from the flu between 10/1/19 - 4/4/2020.

They stopped counting flu numbers after 4/4/2020 bc that’s the end of the typical flu season. However, this year’s flu saw a early start for Flu Type B which normally hits in the spring and this is proving to be a longer flu season than normal. In fact, Louisiana is still showing localized areas of high flu activity.

Also between 10/1/2019 - 4/4/2020, the CDC show Flu stats for:

Total cases: 39,000,000 - 56,000,000

Medical visits: 18,000,000 - 26,000,000

Hospitalization: 410,000 - 740,000
And, again
Total deaths: 24,000 - 62,000

Remember, these numbers are from confirmed Flu cases and aren’t convoluted like the Covid numbers have been. It’s also significant to note that Flu Type B is having an abnormally strong year and that strain has been proven more deadly to those aged under 16 and the elderly.


This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 11:48 pm
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33807 posts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 11:50 pm to


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Tigers4Lyfe

Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43316 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 6:26 am to
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Someone said something indicating this thing isn’t really worth worrying about. Let me passively throw in some comment to remind everyone there’s still a chance millions will die



No. Jesus Christ you are obtuse. You are really trying to bully me into something I'm not.

That's a caveat because there a chance immunity won't last long enough to be meaningful for herd immunity, and all that means is we should have contingency plans in place. That may look like what grrrl said (what I also think it would look like) or it may mean something else, I don't know. But only a fool would ignore the facts and act like herd immunity is a guaranteed fix.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 6:28 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96639 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 7:22 am to
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That's a caveat because there a chance immunity won't last long enough to be meaningful for herd immunity, and all that means is we should have contingency plans in place
If immunity doesnt last(small chance), its time to rip the bandaid off and open up fully and those who will die from it will die. That sounds callous, but thats the only true option. We cant stay locked away forever. Because if immunity doesnt exist, locking away saves ZERO lives.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 7:23 am
Posted by Commando
Never Never Land
Member since Jan 2009
2810 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 7:27 am to
We knew it was going to be a bad few years when the Orleans Parish vote came in on election night. After that, it was just a questions of how bad-the crash in oil prices and Covid (and our idiot Governor taking advantage) have only served to accelerate the demise. We’ve been last in the country in every meaningful quality of life measure for years, Bel is just making sure no one can catch us.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43478 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 7:36 am to
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And, then there was logic....


I'm glad you brought logic up. Now try using some instead of basing everything off your emotions.

Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43316 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 7:49 am to
I think the answer to that depends on timelines. If a vaccine is relatively near then perhaps the Sweden method is best. If there is no clear route to vaccine or treatment and herd immunity isn't happening then yes I agree, no more options at that point.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96639 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 7:54 am to
A vaccine seems completely unrealistic and I honestly find it fascinating so many people are pretending its possible

Imagine how filthy rich someone would be if they made a true effective vaccine for flu. Yet it hasnt happened

I just dont see how its realistic to think magically they will have one for covid-19
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 7:54 am
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