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re: Neil Farrell Jr
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:27 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:27 pm to Lester Earl
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With as much success as burrow had, Even LSU was about even last year. I think 53/47 pass/run
If you want ot use our offense as an example lets do it:
1. Because we were balances no down was a run or a pass down.
2. We rarelty subbed and could go lightning fast, so defenses didn't have time to match packages.
3. We ran so many different looks with the same players.
When teams start going fast you are going to want to have an every down formation.
And more and more offense are going to be mixing Passing and rushing on every down and going faster. We jsut added two Baylor guys as OCs in the league. Its going to get fast.
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Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:39 pm to SammyTiger
It’s hard to compare any offense to the one we just saw at LSU. I don’t really see any SEC QB that is going to move the chains in the manner that LSU did.
Even so, Farrell is the exact type of guy you want on the field
Farrell gets enough push to be fine at RDE just like Tyson Jackson was on Pelini’s last defense. In fact I think Glen Logan can do the same if needed.
He’s not a Cam Jordan-like two way guy where he’ll get 14 sacks, but for a college defense end he will work just fine. 4-6 sacks, edge anchor vs run. Will prob see him & Logan inside on pass downs.
Even so, Farrell is the exact type of guy you want on the field
Farrell gets enough push to be fine at RDE just like Tyson Jackson was on Pelini’s last defense. In fact I think Glen Logan can do the same if needed.
He’s not a Cam Jordan-like two way guy where he’ll get 14 sacks, but for a college defense end he will work just fine. 4-6 sacks, edge anchor vs run. Will prob see him & Logan inside on pass downs.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:46 pm to HoustonGambler123
Lets look back at what Coach O said during our abbreviated spring practice:
Maybe he forgot about Farrell.
I do know that Coach O wants to rotate 2 and 3 players at each position to keep them fresh. He wants Depth. I would prefer Farrell at 3 tech over Jenkins every day of the week.
Unless we are going back to Spears and Hill, I don't think we will be seeing 300+ lb DE. The existence of Shelvin, Ika, and Guillory argue against it.
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Defensive End: TK McLendon, Jarell Cherry
Nose Tackle: Tyler Shelvin, Siaki "Apu" Ika
Defensive Tackle: Glen Logan, Nelson Jenkins
Defensive End: Justin Thomas, Andre Anthony, BJ Ojulari
Maybe he forgot about Farrell.
I do know that Coach O wants to rotate 2 and 3 players at each position to keep them fresh. He wants Depth. I would prefer Farrell at 3 tech over Jenkins every day of the week.
Unless we are going back to Spears and Hill, I don't think we will be seeing 300+ lb DE. The existence of Shelvin, Ika, and Guillory argue against it.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:03 pm to Lester Earl
The 2007 defense was built for 2007 offenses.
its 2020 and lets be real likely spend more time in 4-2-5 than 4-3.
how many successful defenses have a "rushing down" SDE?
Cam Jordan is the prototype and who do they have across form hin? Davenport another 270 point guy who is supposed to do both.
Or you can look at the Vikings with Hunter and Griffin
Look at those great Clemson Defenses with the best Front 4 in the Country
Austin Bryant (270) and Clelin Ferrell (260)
None of Ohio State's defenses are over 270.
As good as guys like Tyson Jackson and Marcus Spears were, that was a different era, and neither played 4-3 DE in the NFL.
its 2020 and lets be real likely spend more time in 4-2-5 than 4-3.
how many successful defenses have a "rushing down" SDE?
Cam Jordan is the prototype and who do they have across form hin? Davenport another 270 point guy who is supposed to do both.
Or you can look at the Vikings with Hunter and Griffin
Look at those great Clemson Defenses with the best Front 4 in the Country
Austin Bryant (270) and Clelin Ferrell (260)
None of Ohio State's defenses are over 270.
As good as guys like Tyson Jackson and Marcus Spears were, that was a different era, and neither played 4-3 DE in the NFL.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:20 pm to thunderbird1100
I hope the Strength and conditioning staff and his mom are able to keep Shelvin on a diet during the quarantine.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:30 pm to Lester Earl
Farrell actually led all LSU Dlinemen in tackles, sacks and TFL last year.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:36 pm to HoustonGambler123
Could be 3 starters on defense from the 251 area code.
Farrell Murphy High
Flott ...Saraland high
Justin.... Spanish Fort High
251 is one of us and not considered like the rest of Alabama
Farrell Murphy High
Flott ...Saraland high
Justin.... Spanish Fort High
251 is one of us and not considered like the rest of Alabama
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:49 pm to SammyTiger
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its 2020 and lets be real likely spend more time in 4-2-5 than 4-3.
Your front is still going to stay as regular as possible outside of obvious passing downs
You’re not playing a guy like Ojulari or Anthony on 1st & 2nd down.
Farrell is one of the few guys built to do both on the roster
No one is saying he’s the next Joey bosa.
But looking at his stats as a 3-4 DE isn’t exactly the best way to judge him going forward. That spot is not conducive to getting sacks esp in Aranda’s scheme. But he’s shown ability to get after QB
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how many successful defenses have a "rushing down" SDE?
The frick are you getting these terms? Rushing down DE?
Every 4-3 defense has strong side end. The degree of talent differs. But that is just the way the defense is built and that’s what the position is called.
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As good as guys like Tyson Jackson and Marcus Spears were, that was a different era, and neither played 4-3 DE in the NFL.
Both of those guys weights were manipulated to fit scheme the same way Farrell is going to drop weight to fit better to what they want to do
Even so, look at the sack numbers. Spears was really good & Jackson was solid.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 4:54 pm to Lester Earl
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You’re not playing a guy like Ojulari or Anthony on 1st & 2nd down.
Not two of them at least sure.
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Farrell is one of the few guys built to do both on the roster
Is he? He wasn't built like that last year, adn so far I haven't heard he lost 20 pounds. He moved well for a big guy. And thats good, but its still for a big guy.
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But looking at his stats as a 3-4 DE isn’t exactly the best way to judge him going forward. That spot is not conducive to getting sacks esp in Aranda’s scheme. But he’s shown ability to get after QB
has he? he has like 4.5 sacks in 3 years and 1 was against an SEC team. I just don't see him beating tackles all that often.
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The frick are you getting these terms? Rushing down DE?
Every 4-3 defense has strong side end. The degree of talent differs. But that is just the way the defense is built and that’s what the position is called.
not ever 4-3 defense has a guy that regularly moves inside on passing downs
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Both of those guys weights were manipulated to fit scheme the same way Farrell is going to drop weight to fit better to what they want to do
Thats super easy to say, but currently no one in the program has said it. its more likely he is going to stay at 290 and play DT.
Not to mention O has already said McClendon is a starter and Thomas is going to be an All-American. Those are two of the DEs he has talked about.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 5:21 pm to SammyTiger
Youre worried about Farrell's weight and this is what O said about Thomas in Febuary
They are going to have a nice rotation there. Thomas and Farrell are pretty interchangeable. Neil might be a little stronger and better on the inside.
That's why you've gotten so much wrong in the last few years sammy. You focus too much on the results and you totally miss the process.
Farrell routinely has disrupted the pocket. I dont care what his sack numbers say.
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“I’m excited about Justin Thomas coming back,” Orgeron said. “Justin weighed 300 pounds. I want him to get down to 285. We’ve got him at right end. He’s quick and explosive.”
They are going to have a nice rotation there. Thomas and Farrell are pretty interchangeable. Neil might be a little stronger and better on the inside.
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has he? he has like 4.5 sacks in 3 years and 1 was against an SEC team. I just don't see him beating tackles all that often.
That's why you've gotten so much wrong in the last few years sammy. You focus too much on the results and you totally miss the process.
Farrell routinely has disrupted the pocket. I dont care what his sack numbers say.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 6:28 pm to Lester Earl
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Youre worried about Farrell's weight and this is what O said about Thomas in Febuary
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“I’m excited about Justin Thomas coming back,” Orgeron said. “Justin weighed 300 pounds. I want him to get down to 285. We’ve got him at right end. He’s quick and explosive.”
Well I am now conceredn about Thomas, because he didn't weight 300 pounds while playing football and regualarly excercising. Ferrell did.
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They are going to have a nice rotation there. Thomas and Farrell are pretty interchangeable. Neil might be a little stronger and better on the inside.
I don't know how oyu watch last season and say that. We literally took ferrell and other DEs off the field and put Thomas specifically to passrush. Literally used them as different situational players. Ferrell on the inside would actually put them next to each other.
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That's why you've gotten so much wrong in the last few years sammy. You focus too much on the results and you totally miss the process.
What the frick does that mean?
Posted on 5/6/20 at 6:30 pm to BayouRat15
251 is not all bama turf. Kids like to look around
Posted on 5/6/20 at 6:58 pm to SammyTiger
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What the frick does that mean?
You know exactly what that means
Posted on 5/6/20 at 7:31 pm to Lester Earl
Thanks for explaining DL positions to these baws. Some of them still don't understand that Ika and Shelvin won't be on the field together (except for short yardage situations).
Posted on 5/6/20 at 9:18 pm to Lester Earl
Not really.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 9:02 am to HoustonGambler123
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Really high on Farrell heading into this year. Any chance he’d slim down and try to be a 4-3 end. Think he’s too good to be splitting reps with Logan inside.
Also, love to see two kids from alabama balling out for our defense in Neil and Flott. Gives me the same joy as watching delpit and chaisson go against Texas
Delpit and his family is originally from New Orleans.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 9:03 am
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