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re: Central Pastor church charged, accused of disobeying governor’s order

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Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:53 pm to
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You’re the one that set an inapplicable standard baw



Gas stations are some of the most germ infested places public places on earth. That’s not opinion. We can assume that this applies to their cousin, the liquor store. There is not a chance in hell that a cashier doesn’t come into contact with this virus more often than someone who attends church once a week, and also has a much higher chance of spreading a virus

Same goes with bank tellers

Back to my original point, gas stations and grocery stores are essential, tobacco and liquor stores aren’t because their products are already offered (in LA at least) at gas stations and grocery stores
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:53 pm to
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Entertainment for a boring time


Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:54 pm to
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claim to adhere to this standard.



In a time when profits and sales are down, and cleaning products are expensive and hard to find? Doubt it
Posted by ProfFrink
Springfield
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:55 pm to
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Let's all celebrate that a man's first amendment right was so blatantly violated by the governmen


BS. His first amendment rights weren’t violated. He could have done like thousands of other churches are doing now and posted his message online.

He purposely put people in potential danger just to make more $$$$. He deserved to get arrested.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:55 pm to
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In a time when profits and sales are down, and cleaning products are expensive and hard to find? Doubt it



Ok?

Also, if you think sales are down for the big box stores and gas stations, I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 5:57 pm
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:56 pm to
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What if the surface is cleaned every so often? Like once an hour? Surely your point does not hold in that regard



So in between that timeframe, when 50 people come thru there, that’s not a major spot to spread it?

Again, if the cashier isn’t changing gloves or using hand sanitizer for every single customer, they are a potential hotspot for spreading this

I know I’m not hitting my bottle of water with Lysol before I handle it
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53098 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:56 pm to
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BS. His first amendment rights weren’t violated. He could have done like thousands of other churches are doing now and posted his message online. 

He purposely put people in potential danger just to make more $$$$. He deserved to get arrested.





Okay Hitler
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:57 pm to
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Ok?



You said they “claim” to do it


The cynic in me says when they are already losing revenue, they aren’t burning through expensive and hard to find products at the rate they “claim” to
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:57 pm to
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Again, if the cashier isn’t changing gloves or using hand sanitizer for every single customer, they are a potential hotspot for spreading this


Yea definitely. This is the same as 800 65+year olds sitting elbow to elbow at a church in Central during a two hour period

It’s the exact same risk.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 5:58 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53098 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:58 pm to
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The cynic in me says when they are already losing revenue, they aren’t burning through expensive and hard to find products at the rate they “claim” to


Throw a minimum wage gas station clerk into the mix and odds arent looking great
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53098 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:59 pm to
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Yea definitely. This is the same as 800 65+year olds sitting elbow to elbow at a church in Central.



The arrested pastor from Florida says his parishioners were staying 6 feet apart and the building was constantly being cleaned.

Still arrested.
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:59 pm to
How are they not equally protected when their rights are from the same constitutional amendment?

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26772 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:01 pm to
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How are they not equally protected when their rights are from the same constitutional amendment?





Stop using phrases you don’t understand.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35492 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:02 pm to
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This is the same as 800 65+year olds sitting elbow to elbow at a church in Central during a two hour period

It’s the exact same risk.



Obviously. But they aren’t forced to sit that close or interact, and they can take precautions, and most churches have the time and resources to sanitize well between weekly services

In most gas stations, you have no choice but to grab a handle god knows how many other people have touched since last being sanitized to get in, and also to get a drink, whatever interaction you have with the cashier and the cashier touching your goods, etc
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:03 pm to
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The arrested pastor from Florida says his parishioners were staying 6 feet apart and the building was constantly being cleaned.

Still arrested.


Is it possibly because he’s an attention whore who knowingly disobeyed a directive from the governor based solely on his desire to have his name and church/personal tax haven plastered all over the news?

Because that’s exactly what every one of these churches present as.

The law is plain and simple, if you are capable of reasonable and nuanced thought. The lack of successful restraining orders proves that. Churches have to abide by the quarantine thresholds. Period.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 6:04 pm
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35492 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:04 pm to
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Is it possibly because he’s an attention whore who knowingly disobeyed a directive from the governor based solely on his desire to have his name and church/personal tax haven plastered all over the news?



I agree with you on this
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:05 pm to
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But they aren’t forced to sit that close or interact, and they can take precautions, and most churches have the time and resources to sanitize well between weekly services

In most gas stations, you have no choice but to grab a handle god knows how many other people have touched since last being sanitized to get in, and also to get a drink, whatever interaction you have with the cashier and the cashier touching your goods, etc



Gasoline is necessary for a functioning society, and words from some guy at a podium is not. Gasoline is sold at stores that also sell other things. Those stores have to stay open because they sell gasoline.

If you can’t understand that, no one and/or no explanation can help you. You just need to get over it
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 6:07 pm
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35492 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:06 pm to
Yeah I keep saying gas station out of habit but I am still specifically talking about liquor and tobacco stores in LA. I’ve mentioned gas stations being essential several times
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 6:07 pm
Posted by ProfFrink
Springfield
Member since Nov 2018
3407 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:09 pm to
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Okay Hitler


So you lack a response and resort to name calling.

Learn history, this is nothing like Hitler. He would be dead by now under Hitler.

This is the government declaring an emergency and enacting temporary restrictions. Has been done before and will be done again.

They never forbid him or prevented him from sharing his message. Just asked him (and all of us) to not have gatherings over 10 people.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26772 posts
Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:10 pm to
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Yeah I keep saying gas station out of habit but I am still specifically talking about liquor and tobacco stores in LA. I’ve mentioned gas stations being essential several times




I keep ignoring your point on liquor and tobacco stores because it’s too asinine to address

No shite, to the extent possible, low risk businesses will stay open that just sell certain items. Yes, low risk. How many people really go into a designated liquor store as opposed to a gas station or a CVS?

Yes, the sale of alcohol and tobacco are more essential to maintaining a cordial society than allowing old people to go to church on Sunday. Do you really not understand that?

It really is that goddamn simple. People are going to fricking riot if you shutter all the liquor and tobacco. Is that a good thing? NO. Does it matter? Also no. Are you college educated? Why do you need this spelled out for you so specifically?
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 6:11 pm
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