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PPE shortage Trump’s fault?
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:52 pm
Nowhere have I heard any blame on hospitals themselves for not having supplies necessary for an outbreak. Am I the only one that thinks a smart hospital should have a warehouse filled with gloves,masks, gowns, old ventilators etc—just in case? If not a warehouse, you’d think they would’ve started stocking up in December/January.
Down vote away. Still my opinion.
Down vote away. Still my opinion.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:54 pm to NorthEnd
The problem is that a lot of that stuff has a shelf life/expiration date of a couple years.
So you would be throwing a lot of money away stockpiling it for a pandemic event that happens once every 100 years
And within the next 50 years medicine will have likely advanced to the point where these dont happen anymore in the developed world
So you would be throwing a lot of money away stockpiling it for a pandemic event that happens once every 100 years
And within the next 50 years medicine will have likely advanced to the point where these dont happen anymore in the developed world
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:55 pm to NorthEnd
It has been documented that the Obama admin did not replenish strategic supplies after H1N1.
Now, could this administration have done a more thorough review of supplies and replenish, yes.
Could Hospitals have independently, well that is tough, because you are asking them to put a lot of inventory on a shelf using cash that they may not have a surplus of and counting on the strategic national supply to be there if their distribution networks run out.
It is a tough deal, but started in 2009.
Now, could this administration have done a more thorough review of supplies and replenish, yes.
Could Hospitals have independently, well that is tough, because you are asking them to put a lot of inventory on a shelf using cash that they may not have a surplus of and counting on the strategic national supply to be there if their distribution networks run out.
It is a tough deal, but started in 2009.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:56 pm to NorthEnd
If there is such a shortage how does Al Green get his hands on 8000 masks?
Congressman Al Green distributes 8,000 PPE masks to Houston healthcare professionals
Congressman Al Green distributes 8,000 PPE masks to Houston healthcare professionals
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:56 pm to NorthEnd
Blame trump for many things but aren’t states and private companies responsible? Walmart runs out of tp in the bathroom .. trumps fault! Not everything needs to be blamed. Cuomo could have bought ventilators 5 years ago but he didn’t. I’m sure a lot of thought went into it and had no idea hes state would be shut down 5 years later.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 2:58 pm to Cosmo
quote:sometime needs to look at why a face mask or a ventilator would have an expiration date in storage
The problem is that a lot of that stuff has a shelf life/expiration date of a couple years.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:08 pm to NorthEnd
So if we moved to socialized medicine that absolutely rations care how much worse does supply become?
Canada's socialized system determines how many MRI machines are within a geographic/demographic area and the number of medical specialists (ie neurosurgeons). In the US we practice defensive medicine where we provide excessive diagnostics due to fear of litigation vs socialized systems that tend to limit diagnostics due to cost concerns.
I hate the litigiousness, but it beats misdiagnosis and improper care.
Canada's socialized system determines how many MRI machines are within a geographic/demographic area and the number of medical specialists (ie neurosurgeons). In the US we practice defensive medicine where we provide excessive diagnostics due to fear of litigation vs socialized systems that tend to limit diagnostics due to cost concerns.
I hate the litigiousness, but it beats misdiagnosis and improper care.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:10 pm to Cosmo
Correct. Any you are lucky if its a couple of years. And trust me , if an inspector comes in and finds an expired box stuck in the back of some cabinet or under a desk, she will make it sound like you used expired whatever on every patient you have ever seen.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:11 pm to NorthEnd
I'm tired of seeing nurses and doctors posing for pictures with masks and ppe on.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:15 pm to NorthEnd
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PPE shortage Trump’s fault?
No. It's the fault of our (not his) HHR/CDC people. They are all carry overs from administrations past, you can't clean every house in one term and fill the voids with new epidemiologists willing to work for the government. IIRC, CDC has an eight billion dollar budget, they should be smart enough to have figured out how to buy what they needed with the money they we're budgeted, even if it took culling some dead weight, or started howling for more money.
During the Cold War, we had stockpiles of supplies everywhere. IMO, it is inevitable that we will see a flu strain or virus like CV-19, but with a higher infection rate and higher mortality rate. Considering how much money we waste, there is no reason for CDC to not have warehouses filled with cost-effective, utility equipment ready to go. Same with high-voltage power transformers (another inevitable problem for another thread).
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:23 pm to keks tadpole
How many docs would be gladly wearing expired n95 masks right now?
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:24 pm to NorthEnd
This is a result of supply and demand. Even if we started to ramp up when news of the virus broke out, there is no way we could have kept up with what our healthcare system is currently saying they need. It is the definition of capitalism.
So no, it is not Trumps fault. It’s a result of the system we live in.
FWIW I am a capitalist and republican.
So no, it is not Trumps fault. It’s a result of the system we live in.
FWIW I am a capitalist and republican.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:27 pm to TigerFred
8,000 is not a significant quantity. NYC is going to need 75,000 N95s a day. Millions of masks are needed yesterday.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:30 pm to NorthEnd
quote:Why are the Governors of states that have the manufacturers actual production facilities waiting for Trump to order conversion to produce necessities? Governors control licensing within their states. Threaten the entire business with closure over licensing if they won't produce.
Nowhere have I heard any blame on hospitals themselves for not having supplies necessary for an outbreak. Am I the only one that thinks a smart hospital should have a warehouse filled with gloves,masks, gowns, old ventilators etc—just in case? If not a warehouse, you’d think they would’ve started stocking up in December/January.
What's that? It doesn't make a good OMB soundbite? Well yeah, OK, carry on.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:30 pm to NorthEnd
How about those trade deals with China hammered out by state governors?
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:32 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
You are descending further into the abyss of stupidity.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:33 pm to Jbird
Tell everyone about the tariffs. The floor is yours.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:36 pm to Cosmo
quote:not if you cycle them through, using older ones first
The problem is that a lot of that stuff has a shelf life/expiration date of a couple years.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:36 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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Tell everyone about the tariffs. The floor is yours.
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