Not really, you realize wendler and a couple other high level coaches hold the same opinion as me right? Even good ole bill starr believed press was better for football than bench. Hatch, moffit and many others program much more vertical lifting than horizontal.

And most people do not get the results you did from just doing bench press.

And it's not really a weightlifting program at all imo. He does say accessory lifting is up to the lifter.

And I mentioned on dips, if the person has the ability to. And the op never said this was for football or sport specific, in fact said it was more for general people. But in general football specific programs are more velocity based, which means more vertical or near vertical loading.

For general aesthetics like more people are looking for, press is a much better option.

We will have to just agree to disagree on bench vs press.

This is more CrossFit based but more intellectually programmed.

Still love you hfp and still jelly of your DC training gains.

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Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu

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Member since Jan 2013

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Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:19 pm to lsu777

Lol it’s no problem. I don’t hate. I just have my opinions that have worked out for me and it could just be that I’m an anomaly and don’t represent the gen pop.

I just notice continually that many people’s problems are not the program but the teaching of the importance of bracing. I can go on forever about this but my initial thought was a little biased as I prefer the heaviest bang for buck in the compounds and OHP essentially was a sub maximal press similar to how a clean is a sub max deadlift.

And I admit I forgot that the intended program was not for beginners. I love weighted dips and I wholeheartedly agree they can sub for bench btw. It is one of my favorites.

This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 12:22 pm

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