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There are pockets where public schools are doing well

Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:55 pm
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
20506 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:55 pm
but public schools in general are a massive failure.

I just saw a local story on a high school basketball coach coaching against her daughter. This coach is at a poor, failing high school (Canton, Mississippi. The coach's daughter is at what is probably the best school in the state (St. Andrew's).

20 percent of public school teachers send their children to private school compared to 12 percent of the general population. One of the best stories I ever read about Trump is how when he was trying to overhaul a restaurant investment, he refused to listen to the high priced consultants - he brought in the wait staff and hostesses and asked them what was wrong.

We have to fix our public schools if we want a chance at fixing this nation. Its not only about political leanings of educators - we are poorly educating kids. I can barely interact with service industry workers anymore. They are so dumb.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6127 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:00 pm to
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We are poorly educating kids



No, people are failing at raising their children and we are seeing the results. I guarantee you the idiot service worker you have to deal with that can’t form a coherent thought has parents who are exactly the same. Education doesn’t help if the home doesn’t value it.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
171628 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:00 pm to
Schools are essentially just a product of the students

The idea that some schools are better than others is probably pretty silly to be honest
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:00 pm to
We have excellent public schools in Williamson County, TN but I can’t tell you why.
Posted by viceman
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2016
30688 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:03 pm to
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but I can’t tell you why.


I don't know but I will guess that you guys have a lower percentage of single parents.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:06 pm to
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excellent public schools


By what metric are they excellent?
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56783 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:11 pm to
It’s pockets that are not in the inner cities. This is not rocket science, schools reflect the community in which they are located. People are scared of the truth and until we start stating facts we can’t address the problems.
Posted by bigcatfish
Member since Feb 2009
1283 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:14 pm to
What determines if they are an excellent school or not?

Look at household income and that will tell you where public schools are doing well according to LDOE standards. I’m not saying I agree with LDOE standards but household income is a HUGE factor.
Posted by claremontrich
Member since Nov 2016
2001 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:18 pm to
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By what metric are they excellent?


Exactly:

By my unscientific reasons, I would assess:

1. percentage of students taking the SAT/ACT score
2. Average SAT/ACT
3. Number of students that have passed AP classes
4. number of national merit semifinalists


note I did not list anything about college matriculation or where they went....
Posted by bigcatfish
Member since Feb 2009
1283 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:20 pm to
Your response reads a lot like LDOE standards.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:23 pm to
Recently had an administrator explain how test scores can be manipulated - not cheating on the tests but control over which scores are submitted and/or who takes the tests. Heck, I can’t reiterate what all she said but it sounded good. Perhaps some of y’all in education could clean it up for me if this is accurate info.

You can also look at test scores per school district by demographic breakdown. That may tell a better tale of which systems are is better than looking at the gross averages for the schools.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 10:41 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
171628 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:27 pm to
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This is not rocket science, schools reflect the community in which they are located.

Correct

And for the same reason many Ivy League schools are terribly overrated. They're good because they get the cream of the crop.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28198 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:35 pm to
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By what metric are they excellent?


Highest percent of student living in a 2 parent home.
Posted by bigcatfish
Member since Feb 2009
1283 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:39 pm to
Schools manipulate and cheat. For public schools in Louisiana it is all about accountability and getting the highest school performance score. I know of one school that would give a different ACT code to students based on the courses they had taken. Because of the school doing it like this, only the “smart” kids had their ACT scores reported. It really is a shame what is happening now because of accountability. You “target” certain students in a class because they scored in a certain range and you think you can move them to the next tier to get more points. What about the rest of the kids? I could talk for hours about this topic.
Posted by Rock Floyd
Member since Dec 2019
517 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:41 pm to
Can we get the demographics on these schools? Perhaps there is something there?
Posted by TigerMuskyFanMinneso
Boonies, MN
Member since Sep 2019
759 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:44 pm to
This was not always the case!!. Public schools used to work. I am a 76 year old Air Force Brat, reared across the country in public schools through high school.....while there was some variance from VA to CA to IL to FL to OH to LA, my parents (both LSU grads with Master's degrees) felt I was getting well taught. So did I and ended up at MIT and graduated well,solidly in the middle of my class....and I could both write well and do mathproblems

What changed was local control of the schools began to be removed in the 70's and ever increasing Federal and State regulation drove out any notion of serving the needs of the students and fulfilling parents' views and feedback of what should be taught. Education became a poor laboratory for social change and the purpose of education forgotten.

The quality of the product diminished as teachers' unions focused on protecting the teachers and teaching students only to raise the test scores (not very successfully!!) More money was spent on administrators - not teachers - and wasted dollar after wasted dollar produced nothing except increased payrolls.

Just as the nationalization of banking destroyed the quality of the banker - bank - depositor relationship, the nationalization of education has destroyed the quality of the teacher - school -student relationship
Even the quality of private schools has diminished but goes un noticed as they compare so favorably to our rotting public educators.

Posted by mgdtiger
Member since May 2006
3278 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:02 pm to
It is real simple. As others have pointed out it is all about the home life in general. I am a teacher. Started at an inner city school and had 40% of the kids pass the state mandated test(above average for district and highest for non magnet school in district). I go to a suburb district and have 94% pass. I didn’t change a thing other than I probably put in less effort because I am not having to do tutorials all the time.

Had a parent teacher conference with a group of teachers with a problem student. One teacher told the single mom she should raise him better. She jumped on him and said it is our job while he is at school and she only takes care of his behavior at home. The kid should be a senior in hs but I am sure he is a dropout and has spent many days in jail for dealing and robbery.

There needs to be some sort of awakening or I believe some areas of the country are just too far gone.

On the flip side I also think we baby kids to much with accommodations and modifications to teaching or the curriculum. Too many helicopter parents and now moved to lawnmower parents. I can’t lecture more than 10 minutes at a time or I am a bad teacher. We wanted to catch up to countries doing a better job but it seems we have regressed as opposed to gain. I worry about the future of some of these kids
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:15 pm to
It's time to destroy the current education model. It's a huge waste of money considering the return.

Start splitting kids at an early age by aptitude
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:36 pm to
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I know of one school that would give a different ACT code to students based on the courses they had taken. Because of the school doing it like this, only the “smart” kids had their ACT scores reported.


That’s it. That’s exactly what she explained to me. Thanks for clarifying.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89895 posts
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:48 pm to
We moved to Houston in June 2013

We chose Katy because of KISD and we chose Tompkins HS because it was new
Both my kids went to catholic school in LA up to 8th and both thrived in the public HS

Great schools link

This area is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class, predominantly two parents, college educated

The demos are pretty diverse, everything starts in the home, the schools are reflections of the community they serve



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