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re: CFB Advanced Metrics and Computer Polls, Week 12
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:01 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:01 pm to KosmoCramer
Not their issue. They did what was asked. Plus as I said in next 2 sentences the only solution that’s correct is ByLaws or 8
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Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:02 pm to OldmanBeasley
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Why? I’m just trying to understand his point of view
I wasn't trying to be cut you out of the discussion, but he's laid it out pretty effectively.
This isn't an eye test or former results based way of thinking. Ita solely based on wins and losses with no regard for names of teams, conferences, etc.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:02 pm to sms151t
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Not their issue. They did what was asked. Plus as I said in next 2 sentences the only solution that’s correct is ByLaws or 8
I'm good with 8 personally.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:04 pm to xiv
quote:How do you figure that? That’s fewer games to televise (N/2) and fewer games held at each team’s stadium since a majority of those extra games are home games.
Playing more conference games is a money grab.
quote:In so much as they give those extra games I noted above. But they usually pay millions to the teams to come.
Playing FCS teams is a money grab.
quote:But it doesn’t hurt the teams rankings. A win over a good FCS team in a good FCS conference will give a team a lot of points using your system. And that is likely to be a team that would be of as bad, or even worse, than the teams at the bottom of the FBS, at the very least the bottom of the power 5 conferences.
Both effectively hurt a team's ranking.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:04 pm to KosmoCramer
I’m good with 24 as it works for every level of football except the elitist FBS and greedy P5 people who have been conditioned to say but they aren’t good enough
The ByLaws always gives you the best team to win it and they earned it.
The ByLaws always gives you the best team to win it and they earned it.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:04 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:A transparent system open to the public would place the onus on the teams and conferences and not on anyone with a vote, which would be a tremendous thing in my opinion.
1. Provide a computer ranking system with enough advanced knowledge to allow teams to adjust their schedules
quote:This would solve just about everything in terms of giving deserving teams a chance. I know this because expanding to 4 has vastly quelled the controversies of the 1v2 BCS era. Sure, there’s the occasional team bitching, but it isn’t as loud. The only obstacle with 8 is logistics. Quarterfinals would probably need to be at home sites, but some campuses shut down completely once the fall semester is over, and those are often matters of state law, so it’s not as easy as one might think.
Expand to 8,
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:09 pm to xiv
These 2 tournaments would be major funding for everyone, including players
P5 Champions, Top G5, +2
8 Cincinnati (G5) vs 1 LSU
5 Alabama (at large) vs 4 UGA (at large)
7. Baylor vs 2 Ohio St
6 Oregon vs 3 Clemson
Bylaws 20% of members
17 Cincinnati vs 16 Michigan, winner plays 1 LSU
24 Miami, OH vs 9 Oklahoma, winner plays 8 Minnesota
20 Iowa vs 13 Baylor, winner plays 4 Georgia
21 Boise St vs 12 Wisconsin, winner plays 5 Alabama
18 Memphis vs 15 Notre Dame, winner plays 2 Ohio St
23 Louisiana Tech vs 10 Penn St, winner plays 7 Utah
19 Texas vs 14 Auburn, winner plays 3 Clemson
22 Appalachian St vs 11 Florida, winner plays 6 Oregon
***This was using last weeks rankings***
There are new participants this week since Baylor and La Tech lost
I think Miami Oh won but not sure so their spot could go away to WMU
P5 Champions, Top G5, +2
8 Cincinnati (G5) vs 1 LSU
5 Alabama (at large) vs 4 UGA (at large)
7. Baylor vs 2 Ohio St
6 Oregon vs 3 Clemson
Bylaws 20% of members
17 Cincinnati vs 16 Michigan, winner plays 1 LSU
24 Miami, OH vs 9 Oklahoma, winner plays 8 Minnesota
20 Iowa vs 13 Baylor, winner plays 4 Georgia
21 Boise St vs 12 Wisconsin, winner plays 5 Alabama
18 Memphis vs 15 Notre Dame, winner plays 2 Ohio St
23 Louisiana Tech vs 10 Penn St, winner plays 7 Utah
19 Texas vs 14 Auburn, winner plays 3 Clemson
22 Appalachian St vs 11 Florida, winner plays 6 Oregon
***This was using last weeks rankings***
There are new participants this week since Baylor and La Tech lost
I think Miami Oh won but not sure so their spot could go away to WMU
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:10 pm to noonan
quote:
That didn't answer the question.
Yes it did.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:10 pm to KosmoCramer
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This isn't an eye test or former results based way of thinking. Ita solely based on wins and losses with no regard for names of teams, conferences, etc.
I understand that, I guess I just find it hard to ignore everything else. By purely just looking at wins and losses you can easily miss the big picture. By the way I think Ohio State is an excellent team that has an argument for being ranked number 1. At this point it’s very difficult to say either LSU or Ohio State are clearly better than the other one
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:20 pm to OldmanBeasley
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I understand that, I guess I just find it hard to ignore everything else. By purely just looking at wins and losses you can easily miss the big picture. By the way I think Ohio State is an excellent team that has an argument for being ranked number 1. At this point it’s very difficult to say either LSU or Ohio State are clearly better than the other one
There's no "best" way to evaluate teams. That's the issue.
And ita not merely wins and loses, it's usually also opponents' wins and loses and opponents' opponents wins and loses.
In those kinds of polls, LSU is ahead of Ohio State in most if not all of them (thus far).
In predictive models, Ohio State is usually first.
Balancing those is the issue.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:29 pm to KosmoCramer
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There's no "best" way to evaluate teams. That's the issue.
I agree completely. I think xiv making the statement that Cincinnati being a better win than Alabama regardless of score proves your point that all ranking systems are flawed. No offense to xiv, I understand his argument
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:30 pm to OldmanBeasley
Glad to have you onboard.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:32 pm to OldmanBeasley
quote:It isn’t important. You’re using it to have a conversation that is different from the one at hand.
You used the word better first
quote:Tell the numbers that, not me.
it’s a ridiculous statement to say it’s a better win than Alabama regardless of the score
quote:Yeah, I place way too much importance on those on-field results.
You seemed to be way too obsessed with numbers and stats
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:34 pm to OldmanBeasley
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I agree completely. I think xiv making the statement that Cincinnati being a better win than Alabama regardless of score proves your point that all ranking systems are flawed. No offense to xiv, I understand his argument
What would make the predictive polls better would be if all teams were told it mattered. But then the Georgia Tech vs Cumberland score might be in play
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:36 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
LSU has a significant defensive issue. It metastasized itself in a big way yesterday.
It's pretty easy to see why the metrics and computers aren't loving LSU.
What does that have to do with anything? As long as LSU scores 100 who cares if the defense gives up 99
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:36 pm to xiv
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Tell the numbers that, not me.
My fault I didn’t realize you were only basing that off strictly numbers
quote:
Yeah, I place way too much importance on those on-field results
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not haha, but it’s easy to get caught up in numbers and statistics.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:36 pm to diat150
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What does that have to do with anything? As long as LSU scores 100 who cares if the defense gives up 99
Thanks for joining the conversation.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:37 pm to OldmanBeasley
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Not sure if this is sarcasm or not haha, but it’s easy to get caught up in numbers and statistics.
Definitely sarcastic
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:38 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:More conference games means fewer G5 and FCS games, and that means more compelling games for tv viewers. PAC-10 was the first to go to 9 in the realignment era, and they openly stated that that was one of the reasons for doing so.
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Playing more conference games is a money grab.
How do you figure that? That’s fewer games to televise (N/2) and fewer games held at each team’s stadium since a majority of those extra games are home games.
quote:In every one of the six BCS computers, it did, and it does in most computer rankings today. It’s impossible to quantify how the committee sees it, but more conference games for a P5 conference means a weaker cumulative SOS, and the committee definitely sees that.
But it doesn’t hurt the teams rankings.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:41 pm to xiv
Can't trust those pesky computers though. They had Texas over Florida in 08 to play OU.
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