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re: These melts are hilarious but the fact remains: LA has no future

Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:38 pm to
also this has been one big diversion

what is the plan to get good companies to locate here and provide good jobs? if that doesn't happen we are dead
Posted by cahoots
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:16 pm to
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Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:19 pm to
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also this has been one big diversion

what is the plan to get good companies to locate here and provide good jobs? if that doesn't happen we are dead

It's not looking good. I've got nothing against plants but most college educated people have no desire to work in one, including myself
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:21 pm to
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Louisiana will only survive if it can adapt and innovate.

LA has to do this with huge risk/reward areas and if we end up on the bad end?
Posted by JKChesterton
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:22 pm to
Simple suggestion go look up macro Econ data on cost of smoking to society the lost cigarette tax revenue would be dwarfed by cost savings
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:22 pm to
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Posted by The Levee
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:23 pm to
Maybe Rispone didn’t state his policies because they wouldn’t align with the LAGOP’s????? Ever think of that? Maybe he was gonna flip the whole thing on its head and do right for Louisiana....we’ll never know.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:26 pm to
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Simple suggestion go look up macro Econ data on cost of smoking to society the lost cigarette tax revenue would be dwarfed by cost savings

I'm not arguing the financial impacts of smoking but government will just redirect that money to some other pet project and need more in a few years. It will never get smaller and they will continuously need more money. We've always been 30 years behind Western Europe. We'll have 50% tax rates in a few decades.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:29 pm to
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All of the entry level jobs for college kids are in big cities. Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, and to a lesser extent, Austin, Nashville, etc. All this talk about rural areas is confusing. Clearly the problem is that Louisiana has no Houston or Austin. Pretty simple.

This is what New Orleans is supposed to be

*ETA: that's what Nola USED to be is more accurate
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:36 pm to
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Posted by JKChesterton
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:38 pm to
That is pure conjecture on ur part
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:40 pm to
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In other metros, companies moved to the burbs. In Louisiana, they fled the state. That should tell you something.

no fricking shite.

see: my OP
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:49 pm to
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Posted by JKChesterton
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:51 pm to
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Some points, smoking excise taxes would go away but look at the CDC estimates of the cost savings , overall healthcare costs go down and productivity losses due to sick leaves and early deaths would result in more wages and income, thus more tax collections from other sources for a longer time, ie sales tax, income, car fees etc etc ,

So my basic position stands, cigarette excise tax does not impact the tax burden of the majority of LA folks who do not smoke and at the macro level results in greater GDP growth for states and lower healthcare costs for society at large,


so JBE increasing cigarette tax was actually solid fiscal and economic policy where Ole Bobby Jindal cut them to make the DC Lobbyist Grover Nordquist happy and Rispone supported Jindal 100%
Posted by GeauxTrain
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:58 pm to
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JBE can raise cigarette taxes to infinity and will not bother me one bit.


I don't smoke either but as more and more quit smoking or switch to vaping that lost tax revenue has to come from somewhere. Something you enjoy will be next so why should anyone care when the tax man comes to bend you over?

Do you have any principles at all or is it just about you?
Posted by tokenBoiler
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:01 pm to
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What is MS doing to improve its economy that LA could do?


They insist their third-graders can read.


That's not "the one thing" but I think it's a great indicator that they understand the importance of education -- real education -- and (at least for right now) are committed to trying to do it.

I don't expect next year's fourth graders to turn MS into Silicon Valley, but maybe in 15 years the smart kids won't have to move out of state to have somebody to talk to.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:02 pm to
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I don't smoke either but as more and more quit smoking or switch to vaping that lost tax revenue has to come from somewhere. Something you enjoy will be next so why should anyone care when the tax man comes to bend you over?

I agree that it would save more on Healthcare costs but government isn't going to cut spending. It will grow until it collapses.
Posted by JKChesterton
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:11 pm to
No I am not saying ban smoking , but if u choose to smoke then u pay the excise tax, it is a voluntary excise tax and by not Levying that tax the government is subsidizing big tobacco who makes money off a product that imposes significant costs on the rest of society, same thing with vehicles , the gas tax u pay is inversely related to the MPH ur vehicle gets. U can voluntarily lower ur gas taxes by the type of vehicle u drive . I drive and SUV so I spend more money on gas than someone driving a Honda Civic , and thus voluntarily tax myself at higher amounts
Posted by JKChesterton
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:19 pm to
It would also translate to increased productivity which equates to higher incomes for more people during prime wage earning years, thus more earnings leading to income and sales tax increases. Not that I am calling for higher state marginal tax rates , I am not, but more earnings means likely more earnings at the higher rate and more disposable income to spend meaning more sales tax collections
Posted by GeauxTrain
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:27 pm to
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No I am not saying ban smoking , but if u choose to smoke then u pay the excise tax


I'm not saying ban shooting , but if you choose to shoot then u pay the new excise tax on bullets. I don't so screw those people.

I'm not saying ban red meat , but if you choose to eat a steak then u pay the new excise tax. I don't so screw those people.

I'm not saying ban alcohol, but if you choose to drink a beer or have a glass of wine then u pay the new excise tax. I don't so screw those people.

I'm not saying ban the internet , but if you choose to read message boards then u pay the new excise tax on broadband. I don't so screw those people.

... see where this is going? The money for massive government has to come from somewhere. You're next. We're all next. Selfish narcissists on the Right are as much of the problem as those on the Left.
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