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re: Stunning Admission By Renowned Atheist; Decline of Christianity is Hurting Society
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:23 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:23 pm to FooManChoo
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So what you're saying is that someone who is suicidal that wants to shoot up a school (for example) cannot be objectively condemned as acting immorally? We might not like it, but we can't condemn it. That is the logical conclusion to such a view of morality.
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Such a person will be swiftly punished and his actions discouraged because they do damage the functionality of our society and disrupt accepted social norms, but without an objective moral standard such a thing can not be deemed objectively wrong. Now if we establish our current society as the best model for subjective human happiness constructed thus far you could argue there’s an objective reason to dissuade such actions but it’s an argument independent of moral truth.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Roger Klarvin
Well said.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:A society that has no basis for objective morality has no objective basis for condemning "immoral" behavior and thus discouraging actions becomes an endeavor of arbitrariness. Even trying to define what is considered "damaging" becomes subjective, as well as the determination that happiness within society is the best outcome.
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Such a person will be swiftly punished and his actions discouraged because they do damage the functionality of our society and disrupt accepted social norms, but without an objective moral standard such a thing can not be deemed objectively wrong. Now if we establish our current society as the best model for subjective human happiness constructed thus far you could argue there’s an objective reason to dissuade such actions but it’s an argument independent of moral truth.
Essentially what I'm getting at is that humans inherently know right from wrong (because we are made in God's image) and when they adopt a philosophical or moral worldview that diminishes those things that allow for meaning within a moral framework, all standards and actions taken according to those standards are ultimately inconsistent with what people know to be true vs. what they profess to be true in regards to their worldviews.
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