Brandon Ingram Is the NBA’s Most Intriguing Rookie Extension Candidate (the ringer)

also, the 2020 FA class is dogshit.
if the pels dont pay him, someone will. thats not to say that should influence the pels' decision, except that he could be worth something good at the deadline

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Ball and Ingram never clicked in Los Angeles. Ingram’s best stretch with the Lakers came two seasons ago, when he took over at point guard after Lonzo injured his knee. And he was far more effective last season when Lonzo wasn’t on the court (a true shooting percentage of 59.0 in 1,005 minutes) than when he was (50.6 in 756 minutes). The same thing happened to Lonzo’s numbers without Ingram—his true shooting percentage jumped from 46.6 in 756 minutes with Ingram to 51.1 in 667 minutes without him. It’s hard to play two nonshooting perimeter players at the same time. Playing both with a nonshooter like Zion at power forward could make that issue even worse.

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I've said it before, and most say it's dumb to think about trading one of these guys now, but we just don't have the makup of a team suited to todays NBA right now. The point of the Lakers trade was to obtain as many assets as we could. I'm all for trading one of Lonzo or Ingram to better suit the team. What i wouldn't want is to trade them for more draft pieces, as i think we have enough of that right now. I'd want a proven player back

Jrue and Lonzo may be great defenders, but neither are threatening 3 point shooters. If they could both be closer to 38%, then the future would be very bright with both of them.
I'm really not that concerned with Ingram's 3P%, as i know he can score on his own, and more importantly, can create for others. What concerns me more is his sub 70% FT%. With his length and his stroke, he should be near 85%. And he gets to the line too much to not be a better FT shooter.

A lineup of Lonzo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion/Favors has zero 3P threats. That's a problem. Great defensive lineup though, really great. But i can't see how we would ever want those 5 guys out there at the same time, even though they are likely our 5 best players.

Obviously we don't know what we are going to look like, although the season isn't far away , and we will take some time to mesh together, my initial thoughts with Lonzo and Ingram are this.
I feel Lonzo will be very well suited to play the fast pace offense we are wanting to play, but when we have to run a half court offense, he will be big negative out there.
I feel Ingram is much more suited to being part of a half court offense as opposed to playing at a really high pace, not that he can't succeed at the high pace, i just think his game is more suited to the half court. I know we want to play at that high pace, but come playoff time, you need to be able to be efficient in the half court in the 4th quarter if you want to win.

How we stagger our lineups with JJ/Moore/Melli(assuming this guy will actually be worth a shite, even though i have my doubts), will be very important, and finding 5 man lineups that play well together, b/c our best 5 guys likely aren't compatible at all.

neither lonzo nor ingram can shoot like a modern guard.

1. Dump lonzo as soon as practical. Get expiring and a #1.
2. Dump ingram as soon as practical.
Package them if you have to.

Is it next year you can draft out of high school?

Getting zion made some fans crazy.

Lonzo still cant shoot.
Move him.
Wait til next year.

Some idiots are extending Fultz.
He cant shoot either.

The Pels have a very easy $15.6M in expirings with Moore/Miller to send out. That is exactly why they gave Miller that $7M contract, for a possible big trade this season.

Lonzo and Ingram each make around $8M, so the Pels have about $24M they can send out with one of them, and they can take back around $6M extra in an uneven trade.

Not really sure who they would want to go after, but basically anyone making around $30M we can get. I would have loved to get Myles Turner, but seems kind of silly now that we have Favors, and drafted Hayes.

To me, if Ingram fits well and can run the offense, as well as Zion, and we know Jrue can, then i'd want to move Lonzo for someone that can take us to that next level.

Bradley Beal would be the obvious answer to a guy we would want to target. It's what we would be willing to give up, and what Washington wants for him.
There's other obvious ones that have been talked about a lot this summer, like Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Aaron Gordon, Myles Turner.

I personally would like to find a way to get Gary Harris or Evan Fournier, as a bit of a smaller trade rather than going after a big money guy.
I'd consider sending Lonzo/Miller/Moore for Batum if they sent back a 1st to us. Batum can still shoot and defend and only has 2 years left on that terrible contract.

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for THIS season, there's the crux of the problem. i'm of the belief that THIS season, it doesnt matter. i would be very happy for THIS season to be a mulligan

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I agree.
We have a lot of good players, and a lot of young talent, but on paper, they don't look like they will be efficient on the court.
I"m pretty sure Griff is being patient and seeing what he has as the season plays out, and is more than willing to make some moves at the deadline, or next summer to start to better assemble a roster that compliments each other.

If we really have struck gold with Hayes/NAW, then moving Lonzo and/or Ingram becomes an even easier decision.

What would be great, imo, is if NAW can bring to the table sort of what Malcolm Brogdon did to the Bucks, and do it now. If he can, you could move Lonzo for a guy like Robert Covington, and you'd have decent enough shooters around Zion/Ingram led offense going forward, and a really good long defensive team.
NAW/Jrue/Covington/Ingram/Zion is an extremely fast and long defensive 5, and 5 guys that can grab a board and start the break very quickly and efficiently. If NAW/Jrue/Covington can hit 3's around 38%, that's a really good lineup.
Jrue shot around 38% for his first 6 years in the league. He's been around 34% the last 4 years for whatever reason.

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Considering they are both under contract, it would only be smart to see how they play first before you dump them for expirings and picks.

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we also don't need more picks. We have enough going forward. What we need is proven players that can fit what we are in need of and contribute at a high level.

Ingram is a good defender. Doesn't shoot from 3 as well as Convington, obviously, but he's a good defender.
Different than Covington though. Covington is capable of guarding the big SF's in the league, and most PFs, where as Ingram is more than capable of switching out to smaller guys and being very effective.

I've been wanting to get Covington to the Pels for a while now. I think he's the kind of complimentary player you have to have if you want to win a championship, especially when you don't have Lebron, or Kawhi, or Durant on your team. There aren't many big bodied tall guys out there that can defend those 3, and Covington is one of the few.

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There aren't many big bodied tall guys out there that can defend those 3, and Covington is one of the few.


which is why MIN traded jimmy butler for him.
which is also why we aint getting him ?

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i was disappointed pelicans didnt make a move for covington.
All the pelican fans 3 and d whining for years.

I'd rather trade Lonzo than Ingram. Ingram just has more positional versatility. It has also been so long since we've had a promising 3 that I may be overvaluing him

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I know patience isn't a virtue in sports, but can we at least wait to see how the team looks together before we start talking about who has to be traded?

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This is Pels talk. Reason and sound thinking have no place here